Smile and Blues coming along Day 20 since 12/12 here in Deadwood
Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:15 PM
Yea, given it's only March, i need to get this dealt with... i'll get there, even if i have to turn it down to 250w Getting the environment is key to a good grow. I got really lazy after a couple of successful wardrobe grows, stopped for a while and then came back, tents were on the scene! and i started to grow in a tent and bought some fems and a controller... thought that would be it and they would magically grow themselves and didn't check properly for temps, air flow, pests or other signs of stress, got sloppy with water and feed. End result is just a bag of hay that you would be pissed off getting from a dealer!
Your thread mate! It's me jumping in!
Again, not far off what i have done mate. I have 3 smile mums and 3 blues from 5 seeds each. I flowered out the Smiles and am testing them now , the Blues are on there first run from clone.
Heres the size currently of how the clones look,
I bonzaid mine from the off. The Smile above is in a 1litre pot. I would chop your mum right back, you could take it almost down to the bottom of the panel in your door in your snap. Just do one if your not sure, but you will be amazed at how well they just keep on coming!
How long have they been in that pot and what size is it? Once they start looking a bit droopy and poorly at about 6 - 12 months they need a root trim.
I assume you have read OT's guide since you know about Bonzai's.
Too late now!
e2a..oh yea, get a flouro! You can use an energy saving regular household CFL ( i never have...why would i, i have T5's!, but have seen other do just fine with them)
This post has been edited by Chairman O The Bored: 16 March 2012 - 08:20 PM
Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:20 PM
Thanks for yur help and time mate
I have read OT1s bonzai guide when I was learning his great successful cloning method, ill have to have a look again, time for some homemade hash
This post has been edited by Al Swearengen: 16 March 2012 - 09:23 PM
Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:01 PM
Happy to help mate... i'm no expert, but ive picked a few things up from the great people of UK420 along my wobbly way!
If i was you i wouldnt move up from that pot, especially if it's going to cause you issues.... you can keep a mum very happy in 1 litre of mud, some do it in even smaller pots, so why move to 8's?? I flower in 6.5ltrs...using bigger takes more time to veg , eat more nutes, drink more water and cause me space issues in my wee plot!
Not trying to teach you to suck....er eggs!! but if you haven't seen it, Use this as a guide to pot size and space.
For me its in far too big a pot.... as you have these girls already in flower, and have these happy mums you can "experiment a little" and learn along the way.
If i were you, which, luckily for you i'm not!! I would take cuts from them all in little 1 inch pots... trim ALL the original mums back hard, to the red line!!....as much as this will be fine, but be as brave as you dare:
You then have the original mums, which still fit in your space, also "new mums" you can make as bonsai from the off...
My light swap caper went well and the new/old light is in, but alas the makeshift yo-yo hanging wires are in the way of my intended location of the oscillating fan!! Also, i dont have enough to keep everything in order, so i have to get the garden twine out in the morning and redo everything. Temps (after only 30mins...) 25, so hopefully heading in the right direction here!
I so want OT's new seeds to be the next ones in my boardroom!!
e2a... the red line is a very rough guide.. obviously cut back to a node on each stem!
This post has been edited by Chairman O The Bored: 16 March 2012 - 10:07 PM
Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:24 PM
"For me its in far too big a pot.... as you have these girls already in flower, and have these happy mums you can "experiment a little" and learn along the way.
If i were you, which, luckily for you i'm not!! I would take cuts from them all in little 1 inch pots... trim ALL the original mums back hard, to the red line!!....as much as this will be fine, but be as brave as you dare:"
The Girls from seed are in flower, there clones (in pic above with red line) are not in flower. I really don't want to clone all the clones again. It will be too many than, I think
Should I cut all the clones back to roughly the red line anyway , let them grow back and than flower them, clone the 2 I want to keep and create bonzai mums with these clones.
Glad you got your light swapped, hope it keeps those temps down for ya.
Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:47 PM
No!! Sod's law the one you don't keep will be the best smoke! You cant make a decision till you try it properly, previously I have thrown mother plants because I thought I knew which was going to be the best and then the runt turns out to have a real nice effect. Obviously it depends on your criteria for selecting but I go on the final effect as opposed to anything else throughout it's life, vigor, smell and resin production I keep in mind but for me it's all about the effect.
Also, I used to use 3.5L pots for mothers which was ok with crap genetics but with good genetics they get way to big. I'm using the 1.5L pots from Greens and they're perfect, they're small in terms of square but they're really deep so you can get more in one space. They don't get too big in them but big enough and only need watering once a week.
This post has been edited by creativesmoke: 17 March 2012 - 01:52 PM
Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:04 PM
Sorry Im not doubting you Chair and appreciate all your help and time, just interested to see what others think, Im scared to do it and feel ive wasted all that time growing them to cut most of the plant away. Ill have to do it, How long will they take to grow back and can I keep them in the 3.5 ltrs , will they not get root bound?
This post has been edited by Al Swearengen: 17 March 2012 - 02:21 PM
Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:36 PM
Yep it can be a long wait till you know but it's best to do it properly imo. If it was me I would select the best plants for mothers so you have all your different phenos in mother form, put them in 1L - 1.5L pots and train them so they end up a foot or so tall and only over hang the pot slightly. That way you can cram them right next to each other and after trimming, the plants throw out lots of tops and you can get 20 - 30 cuts every few weeks. As for any plants left over, If I had the space I would select an extra plant of each of the best looking pheno's to run next time as mature plants do really well even if they spend most of their life in small pots. I would kill the rest and then take cuttings from the new mothers 3 weeks before you need them, of course if you have the space keep them all and then you have your stock for next cycle.
You need to be quite harsh with the trimming if the're big, as Chairman O The Bored has illustrated cut them right back. They will recover fine with enough time, they may take a few weeks to get back on form so depending when you need your next lot of plants you might be best keeping hold of the rooted plants. It does seem wasteful and wrong cutting that much off a plant but after a few weeks you really see the benefit.
Have a real good read up of Ot1's mother guide as everything you need to know is there, since I took note of this guide my veg tent is tidy more productive and I can fit triple the amount of mothers in there!
Edit- If your asking if you can keep the plants in 3.5s for the next run the answer is yes. I had my 4 Blues phenos (seed plants) in 3.5L pots (coco) for over 3 months, I then put them in 6.5L pots with some more veg time and they're in flower now and are ace. If you do this though you will have to do a lot of trimming over the time they're in the pots, I bet I filled a bin bag full of Blues cuttings over the 3 months they were sat around because they just kept growing and growing .
This post has been edited by creativesmoke: 17 March 2012 - 02:41 PM
Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:03 PM
Ask away mate.... thats what the site is for. I'm no expert, better you get a few people's opinion, if they themselves have demonstrated they have some experience, then its better advice, but always do your own research and remember its pretty much got a lot to do with common sense you will be fine. Sometimes you will get conflicting advice especially when you have issues!!, but CS is seeing you right.
Ultimately, what works in your environment, with your plants and your care and attention will be a bit different from everybody else, but broadly if you follow some simple guidelines, you will soon find your feet and have a bit more confidence.
When you see how much you can cut back your plants and how it keeps them maintained, and how simple getting a clone to root is (just leave it alone!!), how important air flow and circulation is.... takes a couple of grows, but thats the journey. Nature will chuck a few curveballs at you along the way to keep you interested, but again UK420 can help.
OK, easiest thing to do is take clones from ALL your mums, once they have rooted and you are happy, bin the big girls.... you should now be in a position to pot up and have your 6.5l pots ready when you need them with a bit of luck.... (and it is paddys day!!)
New/Old shade works great... highest temp 25 at canopy level, temp in pots got down to 19, so ill knock my heat mat up a degree.
Had a bit of a bondage session and tied the girls up to some string to keep them from falling over.
Still need to put some mylar up, get some PC fans to help with the passive intake if i need it (more to help with the neg pressure which at the moment is so high i need to almost rip the door off!), get a support frame/net in, but can wait till the ladies have finished their dirty deed!
Day 42 in the little sister house tomorrow!
Right, where's that Guiness!
This post has been edited by Chairman O The Bored: 17 March 2012 - 03:31 PM
Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:47 PM
Enjoy that Guinness Chair, ill join ya with a few pale Ales, Ive a nice selection.
Happy Paddys day Guys
CS its funny, I must have a small black bin bag full of the waste I just cut off
Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:09 PM
Wont be long now untill you get to smoke some A+ canna
All the best for next few weeks...
Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:19 PM
Wont be long now untill you get to smoke some A+ canna
All the best for next few weeks...
Cheers, seems a few other members (AS and Lobo) are also in the same'ish place... be good to compare smoke reports at the end
Which pheno is best?? There is only one way to find out.....
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This post has been edited by Chairman O The Bored: 17 March 2012 - 07:35 PM
Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:32 PM
You said it
There isn`t much variation in pheno`s anyway IME and from what i have seen on the boards , they all produce top notch flowers
Come to think about it i dont think i have seen anyone growing Blues that end up with an average end product !