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bongme View Member Profile View Member Blog	Feb 4 2004, 03:50 AM Post #1
News with a bud Group: UK420 News Editor Posts: 30,874 Joined: 19-November 01 From: The Out Post Highlands of Scotland Member No.: 94 Style of Grow:Organic	Hi The Daily Record 4th Jan 2004 Feb 4 2004 THE BBC are refusing to grass on a cannabis grower who called a radio phone-in for advice on growing his crop. Two police forces are investigating the incident, which happened on a live edition of the Beech grove Potting Shedon Radio Scotland. But the BBC say they will not reveal the caller's number. A spokesman last night said: ''We cannot and would not give the police the number because we would be breaching our own editorial guidelines. ''The data protection act precludes us from passing it on. ''The police have not made any contact with us yet but even if they do ask, we can't giveth em it.'' The caller asked Beech grove presenters Jim McColl and Frieda Morrison how to use a propagator, a kind of mini indoor greenhouse. When asked what he was growing, he said: ''It's a hybrid of cannabis called Northern Lights.'' The presenters thens pent more than three minutes on an answer. Frieda yesterday apologised for the blunder and joked: ''You know, we are a very happening programme and want to be at the cutting edge of any grass.'' She added: ''We thought the caller had said cabbages and if you look it up, there is a variety called the Northern Lights. ''This is where the confusion started and all the way through, we were talking about cabbages. ''It is a very busy programme and we made an honest mistake.'' A BBC Scotland spokesman said: ''It is clear they were not giving advice on to how to grow cannabis but how to use a propagator. ''They did not know what the caller was really talking about.'' Strathclyde Police are investigating as the show was broadcast from Glasgow and the Tayside force are involved because the caller introduced himself as Joe McLaughlin from Perth. A Strathclyde spokeswoman said enquiries are ongoing. A spokesman for Tayside Police added: ''We have not received a complaint but intend to contact the BBC for further information.'' Bongme -------------------- UK420 Fetching News For Stoners in the UK. While Am Weedin Me Garden. it takes 3 p`s to make a good gardener, Patients practise & Perseverance.

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THE BBC are refusing to grass on a cannabis grower who called a radio phone-in for advice on growing his crop

big up to the beeb

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Strathclyde Police are investigating as the show was broadcast from Glasgow and the Tayside force are involved because the caller introduced himself as Joe McLaughlin from Perth

what a waste of police time and public money
the bloke only asked a question and he's got two police forces on his tail ffs!

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THE BBC are refusing to grass on a cannabis grower

(but I am still struggling with the pun

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what a waste of police time and public money the bloke only asked a question and he's got two police forces on his tail ffs

Whaaaaaat!!!! These people got nothing better to do?
Ain't they got any rapists and paeds to catch in Scotland???

If only they would just step back for just a mo, and take in the bigger picture

...

Peace

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Feb 13 2004, 05:38 PM

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Just thought that I'd share this with you all...

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realname: Joe Mcloughlin
email:
feedback: I got busted recently. May be a political football in a few months. If I am, I'm gonna teach them the "offside" rule.
www.joeswebpresence.com

Got this if his website:

BUSTED.

Yes, it was me. I was that man.
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Sunday 1st Feb.   I phoned the beechgrove potting shed to discuss propagators.

Tues 3rd Feb.   The daily record put me on the front page as a "Dope fiend".

Wed 11th Feb.   Busted by tayside police.

This is my side of things. I have nothing to hide, and I'm happy to discuss this with anyone.

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Foolishly, while llistening to The beechgrove potting shed, a gardening question popped into my head. Before you know it, I told the nation what kind of weed I was growing.
I had no intention of causing controversy. It may be a political issue, but it's still a gardening issue to me. Anyway, contrary to the way the media covered it, I did NOT have the beechgrove team giving me a dope growing master class. I asked about how to use a propagator. They told me. When they asked what I was growing, I just didn't have the heart to lie to them. They are like family. They come round for sunday lunch, and They're sooooo Nice. How could you lie to them?
Freda Morrison even phoned a few hours later to ask me what I said,
concerned I didn't know it was against the law !

The spinal injury I suffered in 1995 has left me in constant pain. I have worked myself back to full mobility thanks to cannabis. The pain from sciatica and slipped disks is adequately managed. Having smoked it like a Rasta in my youth, (I'd given it up for good three years previously.) I knew exactly what I needed. The only problem was the kind of folk you have to talk to to get it. Especially stuff as effective as what I was growing. I've been self medicating ever since. slowly experimenting with growing my own.   The equivilent opiate based painkillers made me lethargic and ill. Like a poppy addict, with heartburn, no appetite and pasty
skin. Besides, they are harmful to your liver and brain. That's proven. I won't let anyone in my house drunk. I don't associate with anyone who has a chemical abuse problem. I'm not about to become one myself.

My plant knowledge has increased over the years. Often thanks to the beechgrove potting shed.I thought there wasn't a chance any serious police force would come after someone who had to ask advice from them about some mouldy cuttings. I mean, what kind of wastful allocation of resources would be? There's feverfew, foxglove, and st john's wort in my garden. These are serious herbs you could harm people with. Nobody's coming to cart them off for analysis.
I failed to factor in the current political climate. Recent re-classification has left the scottish police loudly asserting they will still arrest people for it. Days later, I'm on the front page of the daily record.
It was handed to them on a plate.

I was busted. Wed 11th feb.

No, I didn't hide anything. I don't hide things. They found about an ounce of bud, an ounce of leaf, and an ongoing grow box, containing 18 small plants in various stages of growth (I do bonsai sized plants under UV striplights) This setup makes just enough to guarentee me a constant supply. They also got two antique pipes, a couple of sets of pans and a beautiful stash box with great sentimental value .I'm not ashamed of using cannabis, and the fact it's still illegal should be a source of
shame for everyone. Back in the 60s and 70s There were public information
movies asserting "Reefer madness" would make You a violent psychotic. We
all now accept this to be utterly discredited government lies. They were
started in the US, in the 50s with racial motives
Now they have more sophistication:

1."Smoking cannabis is worse than tobacco." It's a well known fact that
herbal cannabis is a decongestant. It actively helps the lungs stay clean.

2."It smokes hotter, and that's bad." Too right. That's why we go to
such lengths to cool the smoke. Pipes bongs, and long cardboard roaches,
and that's good. Except nobody's telling us that because it's taboo.

3."One in twenty people are prone to paranoia when they use it." Well how
many prescription drugs do the same or worse? No. This is more sinister
than bias. This is dis-information. The fact is, cannabis alters
perceptions. Most people find it gives their mind a tremendous creative
boost. If You were paranoid, and your creative powers were boosted, what
would you expect to happen? That's right.   They have the cart before the
horse, and they use it to demonise folk like me.

"Why would they do that Joe? are you sure you are not just paranoid?"
Well I could be, but let's just examine that question.
WHY?
If cannabis was available for pain relief, the big drug companies would lose hundreds of millions.
If it was available for recreational use, big drinks companies would fold. The problem the government has is that it's much easier to grow cannabis than it is to make bootlag whiskey, so it would be much harder to collect tax on than drink. It's also much easier to supress the weed, than to try to take on such powerful business interests.
So millions are spent on the prohibition of one of the safest, most useful plants in nature, in order to guarentee big profits to big business. I thought the police were there to protect me, but who'll protect me from their paymasters in the government while they sell my health and freedom to Glaxo Smith Klyne.
The police were openly ashamed of what they were doing at my house. They
apollogised, and encouraged me to grow more. If only they could go after the real drug barons. United distillers, Imperial tobacco and the likes funnel millions to political parties and individuals each year. Apparently, this allows them to hook, debilitate and slowly kill thousands of us each year for profit.

Any sane person can see the stupidity here. The suppression of cannabis is in-defenceable, when the facts are examined. The whole policy has stunk of lies from the beginning. When you add financial interests to the equasion, it's hard not to conclude that there's a massive scam being perpetrated on us. Nobody in government is looking for a solution. They defend their policy with half truths, and are not prepared to discuss their vested interest in the status quo.

J'ACCUSE.

Shame on them.
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THE BUST:

Busted

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Go get em!!!

G

PS Edited to put in the link for webpage...

This post has been edited by G-Whizz!: Feb 13 2004, 05:45 PM

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Feb 13 2004, 05:46 PM

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THE BBC are refusing to grass on a cannabis grower who called a radio phone-in for advice on growing his crop.

Hmmmm.
So how did plod find out?

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AND THERES MORE...

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Bear in mind. the police had heard the transcript of the radio show. They
knew they were coming to bust Mr small for a few mouldy cuttings. They knew how they felt personally, and appologised, saying they were only doing their job. Shame they can't get a warrant for Mr Rothschild or Mr Guinness huh?
Five men were standing at my door. "Mr Mcloughlin?" they asked.
"Who are you?" I asked. They pinned me to the wall, and without another word, all five piled in through me without another word. "Hey ! Slow it down ! Who are you?" I demanded, as I was manhandled down my hall. " What do you think you're up to?"
"We have a warrant to search these premesis. Sit down." I was forced down into a seat that hurts my back.
"You have to show me it before you come barging in. You've just invalidated that warrant. Are you planning to identify yourself?
"Just take it easy"
"Who are You ?" Where's your warrant?"
"I'm detective *******. This is a warrant to search these premesis." I read the warrant.
"You forced entry to my home. That warrant's invalidated. You have to identify yourself and serve it to me."
"No no. It doesn't work like that."
"Yes it does. Is this soviet Russia?"
"The soviet union doesn't exist anymore."
"That's what I thought till you barged into my home."
"I'm not going to argue with you about it."
"If I was making chips, and answered the door with a knife in my hand, and I ended up plunging it into your heart, it would be your own fault."
"That's as may be."
"You have no right to enter my home like that."
"Mr Mcloughlin, If you don't start co-operating I'll have you arrested right now."
His colleagues were rifling through the jackets in the hall, and opening cupboards. "Aren't I supposed to witness this search?" I asked.
"Stop searching just now lads."
I tried to phone my solicitor, and was told I couldn't talk to anyone untill they were finished.
They conducted their illegal search. This is what they found:

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There were eighteen plants in all. Four flowering. Seven immature, and
seven cuttings.
The tallest was eighteen inches.(45cm)

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Shug
Politics is too important to leave to politicians.

I'll second that!!!

G

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spartacus View Member Profile	Feb 14 2004, 12:56 PM Post #9
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Yoda View Member Profile View Member Blog View Member Albums	Feb 14 2004, 01:24 PM Post #10
Erowid Lover Group: Lifetime Subscriber Posts: 4,379 Joined: 10-October 03 Member No.: 3,412 Style of Grow:Organic	poor guy, I hope he gets off coz of their illegal search, If only he'd known about uk420! -------------------- The purpose of government is to keep the balance of power in place, by fooling the populus into believe that they are physically powerless individuals, instead of an overpowering organism. The tools by which a small armed force rules over a large populus are well explored in history, all democracys are designed to fool the people into believeing that they have real political power, and allows every action of the governing body to be sanctioned by the populus, because they voted for the leader. The voting system is, of course, always a sham. Such things are easily rigged, with the selection of a small number of candidates and with large coorperate funding to the intended victors. The individual is weak, the organism is strong. The revolution will not be televised. -The Preacher

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Feb 14 2004, 03:59 PM

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D [] []v[] []D,Feb 14 2004, 01:24 PM]poor guy,

I hope he gets off coz of their illegal search, If only he'd known about uk420!

Boring factual bit (don't confuse it with any support for the activity that was not justified);

The UK is not the same as the USA and as seen on US tv: over here evidence can be accepted by a court irrespective of how it was accumulated. Any factual erors or deliberate omissions in respect of the searching, the warrant or the documentation do not have any effect on the admissability of evidence provided the judge agrees that acceptance of the evidence is supportive of trying to find the truth.

Secondly a warrant gives the named officers, normally officers of a given police force, the power of entry 'utilising force if necessary', owners permission is not required. The decision as to whether that force was 'necessary' is a matter for the officers to satisfy the court. For example force can be justified to effect entry if there is any undue delay that may allow others to dispose of goods being searched. Neither is it necessary for the owner or person present to be actually in the presence of all the officers whilst the search takes place although an experienced officer will always try and achieve that as it reduces the possibility of argument at a later stage and 'may' induce some comment from the suspect when the goods are found.

There is a requirement for the officers to leave details of the warrant, their identity and the reason for the search but all that is usually a final gesture before moving on. Most police forces have a particular form to achieve all that, usually with a copy of the warrant.

As a final add-on, there is no power to gain access to the original informatiomn that allowed the warrant to be issued. There is an acceptance that the issuing Justice of the Peace or the magistrate will have satisfied themsleves about the justification.

All clear now?

(Steps back and awaits responses)

Regards
Eddie

Yoda View Member Profile View Member Blog View Member Albums	Feb 14 2004, 05:56 PM Post #12
Erowid Lover Group: Lifetime Subscriber Posts: 4,379 Joined: 10-October 03 Member No.: 3,412 Style of Grow:Organic	All clear apart from one thing... If an person approachers my door and try to barge past me without first identifiying himself as a police officer and showing me his warent, and I (not knowing that he is a policeman) kick the living shit out of him, am i liable in the slightest?? Edit: a friend of mine was found to be growing about 20 plants, police entertd without warrent and found them. They let him go.... How???????? ??? This post has been edited by []D [] []v[] []D: Feb 14 2004, 05:58 PM -------------------- The purpose of government is to keep the balance of power in place, by fooling the populus into believe that they are physically powerless individuals, instead of an overpowering organism. The tools by which a small armed force rules over a large populus are well explored in history, all democracys are designed to fool the people into believeing that they have real political power, and allows every action of the governing body to be sanctioned by the populus, because they voted for the leader. The voting system is, of course, always a sham. Such things are easily rigged, with the selection of a small number of candidates and with large coorperate funding to the intended victors. The individual is weak, the organism is strong. The revolution will not be televised. -The Preacher

Joolz

Feb 14 2004, 06:04 PM

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Edit: a friend of mine was found to be growing about 20 plants, police entertd without warrent and found them. They let him go.... How???????? ???

he grassed ?

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