Making feminised seeds..........., Anyone ever tried it? Options

[Bad Penny.]

Just a question really,I am doing a seed run outdoors,I wondered if anyone had ever made their own feminised beans?Anyone ever made a colloidal silver generator?How do the Major Seed Banks now produce their Femmies?Colloidal or GA?I might actually make some colloidal silver and give it a try,nothing ventured nothing gained,just wondered if any of you guys had tried a similar ventrue and how did it work out?

[anaconda19]

they do it indoors... i heared they screw around with the lighting a lot, but not sure exactly what they do... worth a try tho. do they use that silver stuff u mentioned? wat is it?

This post has been edited by anaconda19: May 25 2009, 09:53 AM

[Anasrzi]

i no some companies use gibberlic acid or somthing like tha to make fem seed it stresses the plant or you can flower ur plants out for a week or so this produces small banana like pollen sacks which contain fem pollen so u can use that ive tryed it a few times didnt do to well i think you need to play around with it a bit i only produced 4 seeds an only 2 popped up

id give it a go like you say nothing ventured an tha

good luck

[Bad Penny.]

I think most companies now use colloidal silver?You can actually make a colloidal silver generator for a couple of quid,worth a try I think,even at this moment I am planning next years outdoor,near visioned and far sighted,but I would really be interested if anyone on this forum has dabbled in making their own,or knows which companies use what feminising methods?

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-mak...-Silver-Genera/

[chewable_madness]

Just a little sumthing I picked up from a seed site seems relevent...

"Feminised seeds are produced by isolating a hermie and allowing it to self-pollinate. The plant’s genetics prevent male-producing seeds from being produced as they lack two differing DNA.

Other methods of producing feminised seeds include the use of ethylene which is a ripening agent."

[Bad Penny.]

Thanks chew,colloidal spraying causes a plant to hermie and pollinate itself

[chewable_madness]

Thanks chew,colloidal spraying causes a plant to hermie and pollinate itself

aahhhhh, . Thanks for that Bad Penny should read a little more into things next time

[Bad Penny.]

Its ok Chew,I am going to try and hermie a Dutch Passion Blueberry,and also one of my Afghani/WW crosses,its fun experimenting,besides,I have a feeling it actually does work

[chewable_madness]

O yeah I have all confidence that it'll work, much luck with it mate I'm sure there are some people around here that have given it a shot that could lend a guiding hand.

just ordered me a DP blueberry pretty dam excited for it!

This post has been edited by chewable_madness: May 25 2009, 11:29 AM

[madgiz]

Heres some info for you.....

Notes and Interviews by Mr XX




100% Female Seeds(The Final Word)

Posted by TheSiliconMagician on February 13, 1999 at 05:17:41 PT:

As some of you know I have been a regular in the chat room for awhile now and I spend large amounts
of time in there.

Anyway, I have had the extreme pleasure of speaking to Mr. XX. over the last few nights for many
hours and have gotten to
know him quite well via E-mail and the chat. (By the way Pud, you were not kidding about those
pictures!) As it turns out he
confided in me and a few others about his process for coming up with 100% Seeds.

Now, Mr. XX is a very nice guy. Funny to and its always a pleasure to speak with him. The guy doens't
speak english too
well but his wit comes through the rough language and he's a riot to talk to. He is a pure lover of
cannabis and hates the ideas
of seedbanks. He feels that everyone should share and share alike and help the community in general.

He simply wants to share his knowledge with the cannabis community because he has spent 15 years
researching this and I
spoke with him in depth about it and will elaborate on puds earlier observations. Done with Mr.XX's
permission because he
wants everyone to be able to do this.

As pud stated a few posts back, he stressed litteraly hundreds of plants with an irregular photoperiod.
What he does is put
the lights on 12/12 for 10 days. Then turns the lights on 24 hours, then 12/12 again for a few days, then
back to 24 hours for
a day, then 12/12 again for a few weeks.

If he does this and no hermaphrodites come up. He has found a 100% XX female that cannot go
hermaprhoditic naturally. He
says that your chances of finding a 100% XX female is vastly increased when using Indica genetics. He
told me that the more
Afghanni or Nepalese genetics the plant has, the better the chances of finding a natural XX female. His
exact words were
"Where did mother nature give weed a home at originally?"

I tried to get him to narrow it down to a ratio, but he never specified just how many plants per are XX
females his exact
words are "plenty of XX girls for everybody" and that is all he will say on the subject. Only that it takes
alot of time and alot
of plants to find that one female.

He then uses Gibrellic acid. 30 centiliters of water with 2 grams of Gibrellic acid and 2 drops of Natruim
Hydroxide to liquify
the Gibrellic. Then applies as normal and creates the male flowers. He has as pud said gotten down to
the 4th Generation with
NO loss of vigor, NO genetic deficiencies and NO hermaphrodites. He claims that the plants are EXACT
GENETIC
CLONES of one another. Complete sisters. Basically it's clone from seed instead of from normal cloning
methods.

What does this have to do with seedbanks? I'll tell you why.

Dutch Passion is the company that is selling these 100% female seeds. They followed along the same
research line that
Mr.XX has followed, mirror paths. While Mr. XX has no anger towards Dutch Passion, DP cannot be
said the same for.
Now don't go running off to DP and saying "Oh mr.xx said you guys suck" thats not true. On the
contrary he says they have
good seeds.. but he DOES question the validity of their claims about having so many strains so quickly
100% female.

He says that 6 months ago is when he made the breakthrough and DP made it about the same time as he
did. He said they
successfully did it with TWO strains. Which strains he didn't say only that they had 2 and now here it is
6 months later and
they have what? 10? 15? I forget exactly but they got alot more than two. He says it takes alot longer
thant hat to find an XX
female.

So, there IS a definate question on DP's seeds and any vendor who sells them. While we all know HS is
an excellent
compnay this has to do with DP itself. So, while it's true that 100% XX females are possible and are
even being manufactured
at this very moment. Just how many strains have been found to contain XX genes is suspect.

Now, I will not be surprised that there will be critics, flamers, etc.. but I was personally asked to bring
this truth to all of you..
and I have done so.. remember that when you buy these seeds.. yes, it COULD be 100% female
guarenteed.. but you never
truly know.. This is cutting edge and brand new. According to Mr.XX the only other person who has
done this is Mel Frank
himself and he didn't tell ANYONE.. what happens when you breed these seeds with a male? He says
"what do I need a man
for? They don't factor into my breeding program".

source



This post has been edited by madgiz: May 25 2009, 11:46 AM

[mudkipz]

If I'm not mistaken to 'self' a clone only strain they take two female cuttings, spray one with a mix of colloidial silver and some photo developing chemical and allow the male flowers to pollenate the other unhermied plant. I think that is how trainwreck has been done but not cheese for some reason, everbody crossed it so it's probably not that stable a pheno. I would imagine the same foes if you just want to breed feminised seeds, apparently you get less hermies and fuck ups buy allowing the hermie to pollenate a female
See if this helps:(just robbed it)

What is Colloidal Silver?
Colloidal Silver is pure, metallic silver (the element), in particles of 15 atoms or fewer, each with a positive electric charge and attached to a molecule of a simple protein. These electrically charged particles of silver are extremely small, usually ranging from about 0.001 to about 0.01 microns in diameter, and are suspended in deionized water. The force of the electric charge is stronger than the force of gravity, so the silver particles remain suspended.

In a nutshell how is Colloidal Silver made?
You simply pass a small electric current through distilled water using a pure silver electrode (im using coins). That is essentially all there is to it. Contrary to popular belief, distilled water will conduct a small amount of electricity, allowing production of micro particulate colloidal silver.

What the hell does it have to do with cannabis?!?
We use Colloidal Silver (CS) for making FEMINISED SEEDS, which I'm a big fan of after having nothing but great success from them since i started growing a few years ago
(The basic idea being you regularly spray CS on a female to force it to create bananas ie. pollen ... you then use that pollen to fertilize another female (or even itself, ie "selfing"), and the resulting seeds are feminised due to the pollen coming from a female instead of a male)

Also, there are some other substances that can be used to force male parts on female plants, including STS (silver theosulphate, which is silver nitrate + sodium theosulphate) and GA (giberillic acid), but CS is non-toxic, easy, safe and inexpensive to make at home, doesn't require a DEA request form, and isn't a controlled substance.

Csilver is available from your local chemist (in low parts-per-million though), and is drank for good health (the silver helps kill bacteria etc). But its PPM is too low for what we intend to use it for - feminised seeds! So we need to make our own with a higher PPM ... no problems, we simply allow the electrical current to flow through the silver for a longer duration

TO MAKE A COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATOR ...
You will need: a 9V power adapter that outputs DC, two alligator clips, a soldering iron + solder. (If you dont have soldering iron you can simply wrap the wire around the alligator clip base in a coil and that will suffice, but youll get better contact if you solder it).
- Get a power adapter that has an output of 9V DC 600mA or thereabouts. Output must be DC, and 9V/600mA seems optimal from what I've read and been told
- Cut the end off and discard
- Split the main wire into its two smaller sub-wires (no need to pull them apart all the way though). Dont worry, we dont need to know which is positive/negative.
- Use wire-cutters to remove the plastic shielding/insulation to expose the actual metal wires, about 1 inch is enough
- Solder the wires onto alligator clips ($0.50ea from your local electronics store)

If you dont have alligator clips Haps suggested a good alternative - drill a hole into each coin and coil the wire around that instead.

TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER ...
- Get some distilled water. Do not use any other type of water due to impurities. At your supermarket you may find distilled water next to spring water, but it may also be in the ironing products isle as it is commonly used for steam irons.
- Attach each alligator clip to a chunk of PURE 999 or 9999 SILVER (i just got two 1oz coins from the local Mint, approx US$20ea, but 1/2oz coins wouldve been suffice - i didnt realise how big 1oz of silver was!)
- Make sure each coin is half-dunked in the water, but that the alligator clips themselves arent touching the water, then turn on your generator and leave it for about 7 hours. (goldking leaves his on "overnight" and thus probably gets an even higher PPM, but has had good results from it!)
The end result: the electrolysis causes microscopic silver particles to be suspended in the water (= colloidal silver aka CS). The rig basically looks like this when in use (the only thing in contact with the water is the silver, not the alligator clips or anything else):


It's also recommended you use an airpump with a clean (not used for anything else) airstone to help keep the water moving.

Also you don't want to leave the CS generator running TOO long or the silver particles in the water start getting too large - ~8 hours should be plenty.

USING COLLOIDAL SILVER TO MAKE FEMINISED SEEDS ...
Start spraying your target plant with CS just before you send it into 12/12 flowering, and keep spraying every few days. I won't go into details, but the CS causes the female to produce male flowers/pollen. Collect that pollen, and use it to pollenate another female (you can pollenate the same female that you CS'd (aka "self'ing") and indeed you may have to if you have a clone-only strain, although that may lead to more hermaphroditic traits, but I wont go into details on that). Anyway, because you've pollenated a plant with pollen from a female, the pollen can only create female seeds.

There's obviously a lot more to it than that but hopefully this brief explanation will help people understand the basic jist of it

ps. I don't recommend drinking home-made CS unless you've done your homework because the PPM may be too high, which is great for making feminised seeds (we need a higher PPM for that) but may have risks with human consumption - too much silver can cause argyria, a condition of blue or gray discoloration of the skin, so always buy it from your chemist if you intend to use it medicinally. Also if you do drink it medicinally it's recommended you also take additional probiotics (like Yakult), because the silver also kills a lot of the good bacteria inside you. So do your homework first!

don't know what the RULES are for misting the plants,but i soak the heck out of mine when i spray,every day, not just a lil damp mist,thats why if i had to pay $20+ for a lil bottle at the health store, i could never afford to use CS.

i touch my ingots together to look for a miniscule spark arch to see if every thing has positive contact and is working. the spark, if there will be very very faint, kinda like rubbing a cat on the wall, the sparks are hard to see

kipz and love


P.S. Damn you madgiz...beat me to it...

[Bad Penny.]

Thanks M,very interesting readin,particularly as he mentions pure affie's as I have quite a number of pure 100% affie seeds in storage.I am going to copy this page off,keep it,I will try the colloidal silver route first as the generator is easy to make,I will also have a scout around to source gibberelic acid and natruim hydroxide,its all in the quest for knowledge

[Bad Penny.]

I read that article already thanks Mud,I have been doing a lot of research over the last two weeks,doesnt actually seem such a difficult process,and I have chatted to a guy who said he got 100% female seeds from the CS route,without any of the femmied seeds hermying Fingers crossed

[mudkipz]

Bonne Chance bad penny, just be sure to post your results, I think we'd all like to know how you get on with it. I've never been that interested in breeding myself(havent got the space) but i'm quite curious to see how 'naturally' it's possible to feminise
Hopefully all the hermie horror stories are just that, does seem that not using the seeds from the hermie is the way to go, just not sure why it induces ladies in the other one...

Anyway good luck, may all your babies be ladies

[Bad Penny.]

I grew one packet of Dutch passion femmies back in the late 1990's and they hermied,I have since heard positive reuslts so purchased 2 packs of femmies a couple of weeks ago just to stick them outdoors and see how they grow.I want a good number of seeds for next years outdoor,so I will try and hermie/feminise a plant of two this year and see what they produce,works for others why not for me I wouldnt mind finding out how Luc feminises his seeds as paradise have always been one seed bank I have held in high regard.Oh well,time will tell