Pyrgos greek ganja cultivar, at last Options

[Ganja_Devotee]

I been searching and trying to source some seeds from Kalamata or Crete for quite some time..
Chuffed to bits today when a envelope arrived from a friend in Patras and inside was 30 seeds from a traditional greek ganja cultivar from Pyrgos which isnt that far from Kalamata.

Still not quite what im looking for but will give me some idea of how the strains from that part of the world grow indoors and hopefully when the holy grail of kalamata or cretan red seeds find their way to me ill be ready.

Does anyone know how similar Pyrgos ganja is to Kalamata or Cretan?.

Have been excited twice before for nothing , ive had greek seeds and they aint popped. Hoping this lot will break the trend..

If anyone has grown any Greek cultivars before and have any useful bits of info please share it.

I like days like this when i add to my seed collection..makes me smile

[Arnold Layne]

You lucky, lucky, luck barsteward!
I am green and full of envy!
Kalamata! Oh, My, God

[Ganja_Devotee]

You lucky, lucky, luck barsteward!

Kalamata! Oh, My, God

arnt i just .. but I'll feel a whole lot luckier when my bowl is full of it and them 30 seeds have become hundreds...

and when that happens i see no reason why a few of them beans shouldn't find there way to u. I know u like your mediterranean sats and genes like that need spreading around..

This post has been edited by Ganja_Devotee: Apr 15 2009, 01:02 PM

[_Gert Lush_]

arnt i just .. but I'll feel a whole lot luckier when my bowl is full of it and them 30 seeds have become hundreds...

and when that happens i see no reason why a few of them beans shouldn't find there way to u. I know u like your mediterranean sats and genes like that need spreading around...

Hi G_D, just found this,
Best of Luck, and I hope you'll be doing a report or summat, I'll be watching.
I've got some seeds on an alleged Kalamata female ATM, though unfortunately it's a runt.
The male was good looking, though.

Ho hum, the search goes on to the next F generation....

[ripthedrift]

so how is it going g-d .. ?? did you have any luck with your seeds dude .............


riptd

[Ganja_Devotee]

so how is it going g-d .. ?? did you have any luck with your seeds dude .............


riptd

Still waiting for right time to pop em. Imminently moving house so didn't wanna start anything that was gonna get big and take ages until id moved.

[sureal25]

any news???? i would love to try to grow some been goin to greece for years waitin o find the illusive kalamata. had the tricala which was lovely!!!

[Ganja_Devotee]

any news???? i would love to try to grow some been goin to greece for years waitin o find the illusive kalamata. had the tricala which was lovely!!!

I started off 6.. two have popped and looking lovely very early days

[BluePixie]

any news???? i would love to try to grow some been goin to greece for years waitin o find the illusive kalamata. had the tricala which was lovely!!!

I started off 6.. two have popped and looking lovely very early days

Interesting,

I used to have reason to drive regulary over the mountains between the North and South Cretan Coasts and remember being able to smell ganja from the roadside in the Autumn but never being able to spot it. Wouldn't ever consider ripping a crop, those Mountain Cretans would have yer bollocks off and hung on a tree before you can say Parakalo......

[nig28]

the cretan red is becomming v. difficult to find on the island. Many of the main growers are growing dutch and african strains now. 'tis a shame really but best of luck with the kalamata dude!!!

[Peace]

i dont think a pure Kalamata exists, nor a Cretan for the same reason.

"Kalamata" became a legend over the years, since most of the weed that came from over there, was alot more dank than weed from other places around Greece (or from the schawg thats been imported from the Balkans).

I m strongly convinced, that most of the strains growing in southern peloponissos (Kalamata, Pyrgos, etc), Crete, Evia or anywhere else, are dutch strains that have been (accidentally) crossed with other (imported) hybrids or maybe an old (local) landrace sativa of the area.

Lets say one grower had been cultivating Jack Herrer, another one (a few miles down the road) was growing NL and so forth. Over the years various fems got pollinated from various males that were growing on the mountains, with non-traceable genes and now the locals have somekind of variety that they call "Kalamata". Same applies for the crazy Cretans and so forth.

I remember vacationing in Evia island in late September and smelling skunk all over those mountains. We stopped with my wife on a small river and started walking in it to cool our feet. Then we got spoted by some growers who looked rather dodgy so we left. They were prolly pumping water from the river for the guerilla farming.

[Peace]

But, if u feel like you have a real Kalamata, i would love to have some beans myself (in exchage for a BC or west coast strain that you are looking for).

The beans arent for me, but for a breeder friend in Canada.

[_Gert Lush_]

i dont think a pure Kalamata exists, nor a Cretan for the same reason.

"Kalamata" became a legend over the years, since most of the weed that came from over there, was alot more dank than weed from other places around Greece (or from the schawg thats been imported from the Balkans).

I m strongly convinced, that most of the strains growing in southern peloponissos (Kalamata, Pyrgos, etc), Crete, Evia or anywhere else, are dutch strains that have been (accidentally) crossed with other (imported) hybrids or maybe an old (local) landrace sativa of the area.

Hm, not really, Kalamata weed was a legend long before Dutch seed banks even existed. It was part of a tradition there, you see. It was not uncommon that your grandfather grew and smoked, as did his. It is from this tradition that the Kalamata legend arose, though its earlier provenance is quite debatable.
Also - apart from a fairly distinct appearance - there seems to be fairly universal agreement on the nature of its high.

So, while you might with some reason claim that it "doesn't exist" any more because of genetic pollution (a pretty brave claim if you are unfamiliar with the the Southern Balkan landrace scene) I don't think there is really a basis for claiming it never existed, as you seem to be implying.

[Peace]

I m not saying it never existed.

Both Peloponisos island, Crete, but also the northern parts of the country, must have some local landraces (sativas) worth breeding or (at least) experimenting with.

Personally though, i wouldnt dedicate an area -of my already small grow room- to try any of them, when i could be growing a strain that has been bred by top cannaseur and i know its traits and the high before hand.

Just because a few grandpas have been growing weed on Taygetos or Messinia, that doesnt mean that their genetics are better than the ones from 30 yo dutch seedbanks.

I ve had weed from Crete and i didnt bother to smoke it (little bit better than Balkan schwagg). As for Kalamata, sorry but imho its just a legend.

Any weed in Greece that is dank, they call it Kalamata....

[_Gert Lush_]

I m not saying it never existed.

Umm, OK. You're just saying it existed but the quality was a myth.

Personally though, i wouldnt dedicate an area -of my already small grow room- to try any of them, when i could be growing a strain that has been bred by top cannaseur and i know its traits and the high before hand.

Sure, and loads of other people wouldn't, either, or any landrace for that matter. It's not a 'sport' for everyone.

Just because a few grandpas have been growing weed on Taygetos or Messinia, that doesnt mean that their genetics are better than the ones from 30 yo dutch seedbanks.

That's one way of looking at it, I suppose... I'm happy for you that found all you wanted in Dutch genetics, just spare a thought for those of us less fortunate than you who haven't found all they wanted.