[An0m]

B-high, on 14 March 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

So AnOm, you don't want any discussion that disagrees with any giving theory however outlandish?

No, thats not what I dont want.

Gypsygreen, on 14 March 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

This board is about theorys, and if any of them could be proven, do you think we would be discusing them here?

I agree that skeptics are needed, just please approach it with civility lest you look like a hyperactive baboon screaming to everyone that the water is wet. Yes we know its wet, but could it perhaps also be something else?

It could be frozen.

This post has been edited by An0m: 14 March 2012 - 10:54 PM

[~nobody~]

[B-high]

Erm tripple negative? You want that then?

[An0m]

B-high, on 14 March 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Erm tripple negative? You want that then?

No. I sort of do. A bit.

[Felix Dzerzhinsky]

An0m, on 14 March 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

You do.

Now personally I dont conspire, not even theoretically. However, I am entertained by reading the posts of those that believe and follow conpsiracies and would like to be able read this board without coming across things such as "science" and "logic".

Thanks.

Everyone likes a bit of fantasy but when a member tries to pass off idiotic fantasy as fact they should expect to be publicly ridiculed

Gypsygreen, on 14 March 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

This board is about theorys, and if any of them could be proven, do you think we would be discusing them here?

Something is either true or it's bullshit, if it can't be proven then it generally falls into the later category

Gypsygreen, on 14 March 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

I agree that skeptics are needed, just please approach it with civility lest you look like a hyperactive baboon

Perhaps you should address that remark to our very own Mr C, I've lost count of the number of times he's insulted other members when his own rather peculiar theories have been shown to be little more than fantasy. Here is but one example

Mr_cocofibrelover, on 29 February 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

well done.. be proud of yourselves dear oh dear
wheres that wanker smiley...

Jay Toker, on 14 March 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

I agree though, skepticism is a good thing. But at the same time, you dont see the CT's over on the Science and Logic board derailing threads do you.

Honest sceptical discussion is hardly 'derailing' and surely the whole point of a discussion board. The only way to find out is something is truthful or not is through discussion and presentation of facts

e2a:

Posting up an hour long Youtube video of dubious quality doesn't count as presenting facts

This post has been edited by Felix Dzerzhinsky: 15 March 2012 - 12:11 AM

[daviie]

I'm sure many or most of the conspiracy posters are deliberately posing bizarre notions specifically to attract ridicule, I just can't believe even eccentrics would posit the childisn fantasies. If they were that far gone matron wouldn't let them use a computer.

Couple of years back our very own DJDavid was seriously informing us that there would be about six people left in UK after winter, when the avian flu story came out. Thing is, when their conspiracy doesn't actually happen it does not stop them one bit from producing more. They're up for ridicule, it's part of the plan/conspiracy.

[rustledust]

A problem I have is with the open minded argument that goes on around such subjects. The way I see it to be open minded is to be open to new ideas, which is a good thing, but it also means being open to the possibility that the new idea may be wrong as well as right. It just seems to me sometimes people who think they are being open minded are just blindly accepting (and then sometimes becoming entrenched in) "unconventinal" or "non sheeple" views that sometimes dont hold up to too close scrutiny and lable anyone who wants to question it as closed minded. Which I personaly find a terribly depressing irony. Still thats half the fun of debate so carry on...

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[bazzad9]

Felix Dzerzhinsky, on 15 March 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Perhaps you should address that remark to our very own Mr C, I've lost count of the number of times he's insulted other members when his own rather peculiar theories have been shown to be little more than fantasy. Here is but one example

well said mate

ive been called all sorts on here including a police informer for not beleiving someones theory.i was told just the other day i was gonna get punched for disagreeing with someone .

it wasnt mr c though

[Arnold Layne]

Being offered a punch is well out of order, I hope you just ignored it Bazzad9? I know you and I often have differing opinions, but thankfully we manage at least to retain civility as our mode of speach.

Gypsygreen, on 14 March 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

I agree that skeptics are needed, just please approach it with civility lest you look like a hyperactive baboon screaming to everyone that the water is wet. Yes we know its wet, but could it perhaps also be something else?

Add in the need to be properly informed.

99% of the anti-religious stuff I read here on UK420 is totally ill-informed and ignorant of the true state of affairs. EG: All Creationists are lumped together with the fundamentalist "7 day" dogma, a dogma which the vast majority of Church goers would have no real truck with, let alone a clergy educated in the halls of Liberal theology.

Aiming one's opinions at an opponent is one thing; but totally misconstruing that opponent and their views, makes ones arguments look frankly loopy. Before entering the ring, study the opponent!

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[Lake Palmer]

Well Arnold Layne would say that. Am I mistaken or is L the first letter of Layne and Lizard? Does an upside down A look exactly like some sort of compass that you might associate with freemasons? The same freemasons who run the country and report to Lizards (The first letter being L). Does the 'l' in Arnold not look exactly like Neptune's needle? The same Neptune's needle that sits at the bottom of the lawn of the Whitehouse and the same needle painted at Denver Airport? Does the 'o' in Arnold not look like an eye from one of them pyramid eye things? I rest my fucking case. You are all sheeple and you can't even see the writing on the wall

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[strawberry]

Arnold Layne, on 15 March 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Being offered a punch is well out of order, I hope you just ignored it Bazzad9? I know you and I often have differing opinions, but thankfully we manage at least to retain civility as our mode of speach.

Gypsygreen, on 14 March 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

I agree that skeptics are needed, just please approach it with civility lest you look like a hyperactive baboon screaming to everyone that the water is wet. Yes we know its wet, but could it perhaps also be something else?

Add in the need to be properly informed.

99% of the anti-religious stuff I read here on UK420 is totally ill-informed and ignorant of the true state of affairs. EG: All Creationists are lumped together with the fundamentalist "7 day" dogma, a dogma which the vast majority of Church goers would have no real truck with, let alone a clergy educated in the halls of Liberal theology.

Aiming one's opinions at an opponent is one thing; but totally misconstruing that opponent and their views, makes ones arguments look frankly loopy. Before entering the ring, study the opponent!

Can you point me towards some recent posts where "All Creationists are lumped together with the fundamentalist "7 day" dogma, a dogma which the vast majority of Church goers would have no real truck with, let alone a clergy educated in the halls of Liberal theology."? I'm genuinely interested in reading the posts, but searching the site hasn't returned any hits.

[Arnold Layne]

I was speaking as a generalised point, Strawberry; after over a decade of debate, this is the feeling I have, that folks make vast assumptions, often untrue, about Religion. How many of those who condemn the Bible, for example, have actually read it cover to cover, let alone made any attempt to study it seriously, or to to determine how those who still read it view it in the light of modern theological advances?

I will, time permitting, find an example for you. But I am busy today so don't wait up. It may be tomorrow, when I have more time for searching through the site. I take this whole area of discussion very seriously, so answering your question will be high on my agenda over the coming days.

If we do not take time to study an opponent (and I take Religion as an opponent, myself, in that I stand opposed to all organised religion), our arguments will be poorly made and have little impact. Dead or dying straw dogs, nobody cares about. But it only takes one well placed arrow to kill a well defined and understood dog. This is the point I am making, and I have a gut feeling it is one you might well agree with? Or have I misread you?

Lake Palmer, on 15 March 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Well Arnold Layne would say that. Am I mistaken or is L the first letter of Layne and Lizard? Does an upside down A look exactly like some sort of compass that you might associate with freemasons? The same freemasons who run the country and report to Lizards (The first letter being L). Does the 'l' in Arnold not look exactly like Neptune's needle? The same Neptune's needle that sits at the bottom of the lawn of the Whitehouse and the same needle painted at Denver Airport? Does the 'o' in Arnold not look like an eye from one of them pyramid eye things? I rest my fucking case. You are all sheeple and you can't even see the writing on the wall

bah, bah, mehehehe, bleet bleet., ..... pooop!

[Felix Dzerzhinsky]

bazzad9, on 15 March 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

ive been called all sorts on here including a police informer for not beleiving someones theory.i was told just the other day i was gonna get punched for disagreeing with someone .

it wasnt mr c though

Unfortunately it's all too often the very same conspiraloons that complain about abuse that are the first to descend into abusing others when logic and reason have shown their fantasies up to be little more than delusion

[Boojum]

I think credulous fools who believe anything that they read on dubious websites or see on equally dubious video and then disseminate without even bothering to do even the most basic fact checking of their own beforehand ruin this forum (I assume the OP meant the Conspiracy Theories forum, not board), personally

Especially when they they throw their toys out of the pram and accuse people of being closed minded the second anyone has the temerity to ask for simple things like evidence.

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[bazzad9]

Arnold Layne, on 15 March 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Being offered a punch is well out of order, I hope you just ignored it Bazzad9? I know you and I often have differing opinions, but thankfully we manage at least to retain civility as our mode of speach.

yes mate i pretty much just took the piss a bit ,im more than capable of defending myself but i realised years ago if i couldnt defend my actions or views with words im probably wrong .

the posts where deleted anyway ,and i think the member was banned which in its self is a bit of a shame really ,getting banned over one thing you dont have in common with someone when theres probably thousands of things you do have in common ,its a funny old world