[happydaze]

Ishmael, on 12 March 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

komodod, on 12 March 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

apart from calling me a muppet i actually agree with everything you have said. however, i dont agree that its morally or ethically right to give a child cannabis until it has actually been deemed safe (by the authorities) as a medicine for children... i honestly cant see what is wrong with that. anyone who disagrees with that does not care about the welfare of children.

this is a bit like starting a fight in an empty room. No-one posting here has said it is ok to give cannabis to children.

Your faith in 'the authorities' is touching. Whilst I would agree that it is right to take due notice of the findings of medical research before medicating anyone, the authorities are not currently being at all reasonable about cannabis. Every cannabis user knows from their daily experience that the drug is currently being unreasonably demonised by the authorities, and in those circumstances it isn't unreasonable of the OP to ask whether it might help a child regardless of what the authorities say. And in this pro-cannabis and largely anti-authoritarian environment no-one has asserted that it is all right to give cannabis to a child. So there's no-one for you to fight - sorry.

thank you, my situation is kind of new to my household never heard of autism 3 years ago now it runs our life. i didn't really want to post the issue because of the negativity all i am is curious to see if there connection between the two
cheers happydaze

[happydaze]

cocojoe, on 11 March 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Hello Happydays, lots of respect to you.I have a autistic son, he's just turned 15, he was statemented at 3,was a total nightmare(in a nice way), didn't talk till he was 5 but now, unless you knew him it's hard to tell that he has ASD. Ishmael is pretty spot on with what he say's, all i can say is if it's possible try and get your boy in a mainstream school, my son was placed in a special needs unit for a few month's and it was holding him back, when he started in the mainstream school with the help of a teaching assistant there was no stopping him.He still finds socialising a bit difficult, but thats basicly it. All the best with your son, and any Qs dont hesitate to ask. Coco

thanks and nightmare in a nice way i get that
daze

[Arnold Layne]

Hmmmm.... Not sure I should say this, but I'm with Ishmael, and would not die of horror to hear of a parent giving cannabis to a child. Certain cultures have been using it as medicine (for ALL the family) for centuries, after all.

I doubt this will prove useful, but maybe, who knows.... our son, when he was very young, started throwing huge temper tantrums out of the blue. Then he began clearly to hallucinate and become violent. In the end we found the cause: Ribena. He was acutely sensitive to the chemicals in it, once we stopped his access to Ribena, he returned to his usual placid, friendly state.

Using weed did cross my mind, but his mother would have thrown a wobbly.

[tigseyjnr]

Just so you know, i wasn't calling anyone specific a muppet. i was only refering to komodo in the first line of my response.

when i mentioned muppet, i was talking generally about people with limited vision and understanding of the modern use and definition of 'medication'.

THEY ARE ALL A DRUG - legal or not, your body and brain don't make the distinction.

Arnold, that's a new one for me. gona go and buy some ribena

Happydaze, i'm sorry if my comment added to the distraction of a very good thread.

Hopefully it wont keep going off track.

[tengreenfingers]

With apologies for the further derailment of the thread...

komodod, on 12 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

wow your a moron, yes i would give my children something which the food and drugs administration deems suitable for children,

The FDA do not test anything. They don't deem anything safe.
They rely on those sponsoring a drug for approval (that is, the pharmaceutical companies) to test and deem safe. The same companies that withhold all negative tests and publish only the positive ones.
The FDA scientists don't get a say in what's approved, the political managers and commissioner approve the drugs.
The FDA scientists themselves say the FDA sees the pharmaceutical companies as their clients and feels it must support and further their aims by approving as many drugs as they can. If you trust people like that over thousands of years of safe use of a natural plant-product there's something wrong with you.

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your disillusioned mate, i like weed as much as you but grow up and wise up and see it for what it is instead of makling it out to be a medication which it isnt, there is no cure for cancer. not yet anyway

http://www.ncbi.nlm....7?dopt=Abstract
http://www.nature.co...s/6603236a.html
In fact - read through http://safeaccess.ca...arch/cancer.htm and look at some of the papers linked.

"Not a medicine" - have you been living under a rock? It has been medicine for a LONG time and there's ample evidence to back up its use as such as being valid.

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wise up mate. your right maybe cannabis hasnt killed anyone.. does it have to kill someone for people to have a bad opinion about it?

Impossible to overdose. You'd need to consume 1500lbs (680kg - over half a ton) of raw cannabis (or 68kg of extracted cannabis oil) in 15 minutes to get a lethal dose. It has no acute effects on organs or brain function.
By contrast, alcohol has a lethal dose (depending on tolerance) that you can buy in one or two bottles at the supermarket... and has huge acute health impacts.

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how many people has it had sectioned though mate????

Probably none.
A 20 year study of increasing cannabis use in the UK has shown no corresponding increase in rates of schizophrenia. At worst there's a correlation - most likely because those suffering from schizophrenia often find cannabis mitigates some of the symptoms.

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its stupid people like yourself who cant see both sides of the story...the good and the bad, your the people that keep cannabis illegal. because you basically make us all look like idiots mate.

no, it's people who can't see EITHER side of the story that are the problem. You're blind to all of the non-recreational benefits and seem open to just about any scare story (sectioning) short of "reefer madness" and lie (not a medicine) the prohibitionists care to bandy about.

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apart from calling me a muppet i actually agree with everything you have said. however, i dont agree that its morally or ethically right to give a child cannabis until it has actually been deemed safe (by the authorities)

Never heard of approved drugs killing or harming masses of people?
Sure you don't live under a rock?
See my above comments about drug approval and safety for the real knowledge about authority-approved drugs.

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as a medicine for children... i honestly cant see what is wrong with that. anyone who disagrees with that does not care about the welfare of children.

It's got thousands of years of use as a medicine with little to no evidence of real harm when used responsibly.
I'd suggest that those who would like to consider the use of a thousands-of-years-old, effective, herbal medicine are FAR more considerate of child welfare than those, like you, who blindly write such medicines off while at the same time blindly calling on the powers that be to decide what medicines are safe for kids to take when it's common knowledge that they couldn't care much less about safety.

This post has been edited by tengreenfingers: 12 March 2012 - 01:31 PM

[tengreenfingers]

weedmonsta, on 12 March 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

the FDA (food and drug administration) dont even have a say in the uk it is an american organisation

There's that too.

Still - things aren't that much different here. Decisions made more on politics and business than on safety or public health.

[Boojum]

Tengreenfingers has pretty much covered it, but I could also add that it's fairly silly to call someone stupid and a moron when you don't even know the difference between your and you're komodod

[Hughie Green]

komodod, on 12 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Boojum, on 11 March 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

komodod, on 10 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

here you go My linkhttp://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/SamsStory.htm

cheers i had a little scan through that then started a search on 420 and found very little thats why i posted a view on the subject

thats a bullshit story anyone who gives a narcotic to a child who is underage needs locking up. playing with medicating yourself or kids is no joke. and definately shouldnt be promoted here.

Bullshit yourself, if you're gonna make stupid statements like people need locking up perhaps you should at least get the terminology right first - regardless of the legal status in many countries, medically and chemically cannabis is not a narcotic

Would you give your child an aspirin if he/she had a headache ? Well then you are irresponsible and need locking up, more people have died from taking aspirin than have died from cannabis.

Have you ever given your kids Calpol ? HOW DARE YOU, paracetamol kills loads of people every year.

Have you ever given your kids cows milk ? YOU EVIL FUCKER - cows milk has killed more people than cannabis has.

Need I go on ?

wow your a moron, yes i would give my children something which the food and drugs administration deems suitable for children, whould i give a minor an illegal drug?? no!

your disillusioned mate, i like weed as much as you but grow up and wise up and see it for what it is instead of makling it out to be a medication which it isnt, there is no cure for cancer. not yet anyway

wise up mate. your right maybe cannabis hasnt killed anyone.. does it have to kill someone for people to have a bad opinion about it? how many people has it had sectioned though mate????
its stupid people like yourself who cant see both sides of the story...the good and the bad, your the people that keep cannabis illegal. because you basically make us all look like idiots mate.

A DEA judge stated cannabis is one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man, the think of the children bullshit is dragged up by prohibitionists whenever they can not think of or find another piece of propaganda that has not been thoroughly discredited,
troll trick, emotional blackmail based on complete ignorance, if it is safe for adults then it is safe for children both have endocannabinoid systems so both can process the cannabis normally, it appears you are the moron in this case.

This post has been edited by Hughie Green: 12 March 2012 - 02:21 PM

[cheezychong]

Hi Happydaze, sorry to hear of your plight mate- you have my sympathy.
If you look online at Treating Yourself.com theres a recently mentioned
US case, where a mother of a 10yr old boy with Autism was helped considerably
after ingesting a small dose of a Canna-cookie.
Their child was displaying many of the symptons you highlighted,
after exstensive research- they found that after a small dose he started
playing with toys they thought he'd never pick up.
His appetite returned, his sleep patern steadied out, all in all he was greatly
benifited from this natural medicine.
If you search "Joey Perez's story" on the TY site- you should find some usefull
info mate.
Dont take too much notice of the negative remarks, aint them being hollered awake
each night, i wouldn't dream of telling what you should or shouldn't do...
...not with "your" child. Good Luck with it mate, hope you get the help you need.

P.S. The Perez's found a dose once a week would keep Joey stable.

[tengreenfingers]

Gotta say I'm not sure I agree that "safe for adults=safe for children".

We know kids' brains undergo a lot of changes which settle down as they mature, use of any recreational drugs in that time can certainly be harmful.
As for medical use - that's another matter and politicians/police really have no business getting in the way of it. Under controlled and monitored conditions they should be able to use whatever medications they deem appropriate with the fewest side effects on brain and body. Cannabis certainly seems to fit the bill there.

Remember, we're talking about use and not abuse here. This isn't about a kid being slightly hyper being given a £20-bag and sent off to the park with a lighter and a pack of OCB's finest... this is about medical professionals using an available, safe medicine under close observation to treat things we currently treat with industrially made chemicals with side effects ranging from the benign to the lethal and all manner of suicide/killing-spree inducing, creativity-killing stops in between.

[ostrichmilkman]

hey happydaze, i must say i feel for the three of you, i know a few families with autistic children and it can be really hard to go through. i don't really know much about autism, its seems like it can be pretty hard to diagnose or even define it. i appluad you on trying to stay away from harsh meds my mum never gave me ritalin for my adhd (or any other meds) and instead nurtured me and helped me to learn how to control it myself, its not easy but in my opinion it was the only way, harsh meds are always an absolute final and last resort. i read a book recently which i think you might find insightfull, its called The Horse Boy by Rupert Isaacson, its a bout a little boy whith autism and his families arduous journey to 'cure' their son. its written by his father, i found it inspiring. good luck with your child it can be tough having a child with any kind of special need and its great to see someone that cares so much for their child.

http://www.amazon.co...l/dp/0316008230

This post has been edited by ostrichmilkman: 12 March 2012 - 03:39 PM

[papaduc]

Haven't read through the whole thread but I want to echo what Tigesy says about diet.
It's surreal the way we often overlook the importance of what we eat in relation to our health and general wellness. It's staggering really. The medical profession just seem to look right past it in so many cases. Their only real avenue of thought seems to be medication. I've sat with people who've had heart attacks, whose blood pressure is at ridiculous levels, whose cholesterol is sky high, and they're like right... take some of this to lower this, some of that for this, some of this, this, this... like a bag full of medication, half of which is to stop the side effects of the previous one....... oh, and yeah, try and cut down a bit on the huge amounts of salt your wife said you have on your food, and the bacon you eat three times every day if you can. It's like a partially relevant side note. Honest to god, it amazes me to listen to them.

I know in your case, hazy, it's completely different and I sympathise with you. So that's not aimed at you in any way. Just something I had to get off my chest Good luck. My advice would be to be persistent and creative with regards to diet. Whatever effect it has, it should definitely be your first target I think.

[papaduc]

komodod, on 12 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

wow your a moron, yes i would give my children something which the food and drugs administration deems suitable for children

wise up mate. your right maybe cannabis hasnt killed anyone.. does it have to kill someone for people to have a bad opinion about it? how many people has it had sectioned though mate????

Hughie Green, on 12 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

A DEA judge stated cannabis is one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man, the think of the children bullshit is dragged up by prohibitionists whenever they can not think of or find another piece of propaganda that has not been thoroughly discredited,
troll trick, emotional blackmail based on complete ignorance, if it is safe for adults then it is safe for children both have endocannabinoid systems so both can process the cannabis normally, it appears you are the moron in this case.

All I'll say in relation to this subject is that anyone who doesn't know, who isn't able to see our position in the world, in relation to where it was; to understand that we're still very much in the embryonic stages of our understanding of so many many things, is the only fool in this argument. And there are many.

People's opinions can be polar opposites and yet still be as foolish and naive as one another. The only person who comes out of such a debate is the one who says "I don't know"

Medical science doesn't know, you don't know, I don't know. The simple fact is we're still in the caves and because we've got iphones and internet people think we're advanced. Our evolution has been ridiculously quick, but it's the speed at which we're moving which should signify just how far we've got to go. We're just a blink of an eye away from the 50's.... we're a matter of a few thousand days past a time when smoking tobacco was advertised as a health tonic. It's just absurd as anything that we seem to think we can declare so many things either safe or dangerous.

We don't understand these things anywhere even near enough and when you see some of the "scientific" tests conducted over the years which we draw on for some vague understanding of a subject, you realise what a tiny amount of science there is to help us understand anything.

Whether Cannabis, or aspirin for that matter, can effect a child's mental development - a delicate and formative process which is completely and utterly different to the adult mind hughie casually lumps it in with - or whether it is responsible for the sectioning of individuals, is something medical science can barely even speculate about right now, let alone you, me or any other forumite on the planet.

This post has been edited by papaduc: 12 March 2012 - 04:11 PM