[utopiate]

This is a 50 000 lemmings can't be wrong question, no?

Give me your other experience of cannabis strains?

It is the worse trait to incorporate into cannabis, and is governed by commerce, and people with acne.

It is insane, no mothers, and no clones from autos, means no viable breeding programme ( without field scale crosses, ) in the legal constraints we have.

Anyone breeding from autos, will be chopped up and smoked on the first day we get freedom for the plant.

I assume that makes me a naysayer; and you lot should grow up, and grow some some cannabis.

Have a fine day, and stop pissing in the gene pool, it is polluted enough already.

U

ps The CIA could not have done better, and you idiots pay to kill the thing you claim to love.

[Bish]

[Arnold Layne]

@ Utopiate:
Nail, head, hammer and hit! And damned good to see a post from you again Utopiate, its been too long since the last one. You OK?

[scraglor]

as has been said, they're pretty much the only way to get decent weed grown outdoors in the uk. unless you like smoking mold, which is inevitable with normal strains

[Leprechan Sweet Leaf]

utopiate, on Mar 31 2009, 07:18 PM, said:

It is the worse trait to incorporate into cannabis, and is governed by commerce, and people with acne.

Hackman!

This post has been edited by Leprechan Sweet Leaf: 01 April 2009 - 06:29 AM

[Sugarwoods]

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and is governed by commerce

let's count on the fingers of one hand the cannabis seed producers/sellers that are not 'governed by commerce' .. that really is bollox.

Lowryder crosses serve a market/purpose just like any other variety of cannabis seed that is on sale.
Anyone who is interested and has any sense buys 1 pack of any LR cross and makes hundreds seeds and never needs to buy again.

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pissing in the genepool

... right... and of course you only grow pure, unadulterated landrace genetics from seeds gathered with your own fair hands in the foothills of the himalayas/Kerala flatlands/etc..... sheesh...

I sometimes wonder what you guys are on

I love and embrace weed in all its genetic variation and lowryder crosses have their place, maybe not in your garden and that is your choice, but they do suit some situations and some people.

And in any case, if some n00b is growing them because they can just stick them under a light for 20/4 (or in his garden borders where no-one will notice them) and easily get a smoke ( that IS better than most they can buy on the street) what's the harm?

Surely it brings another grower into the fold who will go on to try 'proper' strains and surely that helps the whole cannabis community, and can only be a good thing

<dons flame retardant suit>

[weedineed]

nail on the head

This post has been edited by weedineed: 01 April 2009 - 11:17 PM

[scraglor]

exactly. too put it simply, the naysayers are just weed snobs and probably call themselves connoisseurs

This post has been edited by scraglor: 02 April 2009 - 07:45 AM

[Arnold Layne]

Nobody knock the lowryders!!
Or else!

What is this - nobody allowed to think for themselves and have an opinion?
And no, I am not a cannaseur or anything other than what I am, a grower of standard plants in a tiny space. I dont need any autoflowering stuff to grow in a small space. Or is it forbidden to say such things these days? If so, tough.

And why should I be obliged to grow landraces etc, dorko? I'm quite happy with hybrids developed for indoor growing, hybrids developed from decent drug-cultivars of sativa and indica cannabis, rather than cultivars chosen simply because they are autoflowering.

Just as you are free to grow it and rave about it, others of us are free not to grow it and to say exactly what we think about it. Its called sharing opinions. Its one way of passing on information and knowledge. If only those who rave about the loryder are allowed to post, then what you will get is simply unpaid for avertising, isn't it? Unbalanced, misleading and wrong.

[Arnold Layne]

captainrock, on Apr 2 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

Many ppl dont want a massive 400w hps light in their rooms, some just prefer a low flourescent light, that will still produce a few oz if 10 or so are grown.
Im all for them and will be doing a seed run and planting shit loads outdoors in june!!

1 Wardrobe, dimensions: 2'5" x 1'8", with 4'6" of height. 1 x 250 Watt HID Light. 4 plants, could easy be any 4 strains. Currently 3 x Killer Skunk and 1 x The Blues. All stretch to double their height. Have grown plants that trebled in height. Average yield: 1.5 per plant, with some strains (KS) easilly overtaking that. Dialled in, a wardrobe like this one can pull an easy 7 - 8 Ounces per harvest. And being clones, that means a harvest every 11 weeks. I prefer that to "a few oz if 10 or so are grown". In fact, its way better, imeasurably better. 8 Oz of decent bud or a few Oz of medium weed? Its a no brainer, surely?

I just dont buy this often cited myth that Loryder is for those in small spaces. You can grow any strain you like in any space you like with the possible exception of full on landrace sats or hazes. But even then, imagination and gardening skills could open a way to achieve success.

Seed runs are fine. But for decent medicine one needs a Mother plant of proven value, to give a regular supply of clones and thus guarantee the line of identical medication. Thing is, you cannot Mother a Loryder. Bit of an issue that, if one is growing for meds in a small space. Time to lay the myth of "Loryder for small spaces" to rest, methinks. Not only untrue, but for those looking for medicinal plants - misleading. And if you are growing simply and purely for recreational weed, surely a decent and potent Mother plant with a line of clones, is way better than an auto which yeilds lo and hits medium?

Small spaces require better growing skills, maybe. But they do not demand a dwarf genetic, and certainly not one devoid of abundant THC potential. Which is not to "knock" the loryder, but rather just to put it in its proper place.

This post has been edited by Arnold Layne: 02 April 2009 - 08:34 AM
Reason for edit: Syntax and spelling

[Sugarwoods]

Hi Arnold... All really good points and well made.. of course it's all about personal opinions and I have no issue with that.

Frankly, what irks me somewhat is the vehemence with which some people slag them and more importantly, growers of said plants...
It just seems unwarranted and tbh downright nasty in some cases.

I understand that n00by growers may gravitate to them because of their ease of grow, but why should they be castigated for that or indeed their ignorance? they are n00000bs...
We all have to start somewhere. LRx's weren't around 20 years ago when I did my first grow, but when I read about them a couple of years ago I thought " Hey, that sounds like a fun little project - let's see how these grow in the borders.." and I was smitten. but only as a side project for a bit of fun.

I have a very small grow space now indoors, similar in dimensions to yours, and I only grow regular strains there.. although I have been known to (shock, horror) try the odd regular feminised seed grow..

Peace and Love to all Cannaisseur's B)

[dbar247]

Here's why I sometimes grow LRs.

First off, I dont smoke all the time, but rather go through phases of not wanting to smoke (say for a year), and then being desperate for some, probably for another two years.

I haven't used a dealer in years, and I dont have access to clones. So, to get some quick smoke, I germ some LR seeds and regular seeds, and put both in the drobe. By the time the LR is ready to chop, I have some mums (admittedly untried phenos) and their clones ready to replace the LRs. I find it very convenient lighting wise - the 18/6 suits the mum and clones, and the LRs.

Having the LR to smoke pretty much guarantees that I dont take too many smoke samples from the main crop (have been guilty of taking off all but the main cola in the past ).

Is the LR smoke as good. Nope, not by a long chalk, but it does keep me going.

In the end, its each to his own.