[namkha]

Cameron peddling the strategic 'skunk' lie

This post has been edited by namkha: 10 February 2012 - 11:40 PM

[KingBlueRizla]

A political answer from a politican there.

The classification is still the same in the UK but there have now been set 'definitive guidelines'. NOt much change, but a step in the right direction.

[elmanito]

Is there good scientific proof of mr.Cameron that today's marijuana is highly toxic.Can he show any reports which show the dangerous effects of marijuana he's talking about.
When i watch this video i would rather think that Cameron did have a few Scotch before he could answer the questions.It looks like he speaks with a double tong.

Namaste

[Ganjasattva]

(Namkha wrote) "... that showed the hunches and suspicions about genes were wrong, and the claims about causation were suspect, and not born out in reality

I've suggested starting a Brett Watch section in the news forum as it's getting pretty scary how all this "skunk psychosis" shite has taken root in the paranoid, risk-averse, panicked psyche of the British public... it has no foundation in science, and too many people in the UK have bought it"
[End of quote from Namkha]

Yeah, Namkha and y'all, I totally agree, the distorting of "scientific" data for propagandistic purposes... What you wrote above in this quote, Namkha, looks scarily much like "Reefer Madness - a modern reprise ala British" ... when lies take root in the psyche of the masses... shit not another War on Drugs II ... If you can't straighten out your so-called scientific community or derail the propaganda locomotive, maybe you Brits ought to seek an audience with Charles - he loves plants ;-)

This post has been edited by Ganjasattva: 04 March 2012 - 08:09 PM

[namkha]

good line from Professor Nutt here:

"[Jacqui Smith] introduced a draconian policy of arresting kids on the street with cannabis, despite the fact that she, as a student, had been a smoker - despite knowing that if she'd been arrested, she would have had no political career."

'Let's give every schoolboy lines for smoking cannabis'
http://www.timeshigh...code=420102&c=1
31 May 2012

@Ganjasattva

yes, the 'skunk' lie has been been peddled very effectively in the UK

even Richard Branson is a subscriber to the 'skunk is super potent' rubbish - and even wheeled it out during his presentation to the Home Affairs Select Committee, while arguing for a more scientific, humane approach etc.

it definitely is a Reefer Madness re-run --- just less racist, because the deranged black man has been substituted by another object of fear and hate - teenagers, 'youth' in general... all it takes is just one puff and they could be off on a deranged killing spree... or to borrow from David Starkey, the racist historian, they 'become black'

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[pier09]

The situation looks bleak in the UK, especially under your right wing PM, but the trend for western Europe still offers hope for the

future. In Switzerland from jan. 012 we are allowed to grow 4 plants ( 8 if you are two adults in a household, provided both water

them !) whithout questions asked. Well, this at least in four ( out of 22 ) cantons, the french speaking ones. Even in France, the

most repressive and backwards, with the election of left wing Holland the trend points towards at least a fair discussion of the

problem.

Anyway with jails overpopulation they can hardly arrest every smokers. We gradually albeit slowly tread towards decriminalisation.

[namkha]

pier09, on 12 June 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

Even in France, the most repressive and backwards, with the election of left wing Holland the trend points towards at least a fair discussion of the problem.

Hi Pier 09 --- I think you are right to say that things in Europe are slowly moving the right way

Modernising the global drug control system – Can Europe lead?
http://www.uk420.com...howtopic=296258
06/2012

but don't expect anything good from Hollande:

France's New President to Invest Heavily in Marijuana Arrests
http://stopthedrugwa...dent_invest_hea
May 17, 2012

Hollande will not go Dutch on cannabis
http://www.tni.org/a...-dutch-cannabis
The new president of France, François Hollande, is not likely to change cannabis policies. His choice as Minister of the Interior, Manuel Valls, is a declared opponent to any reform on cannabis.
May 2012

more relevant to this thread - here is Gordon Brown at the Leveson Inquiry talking about how he used (abused) his position and power to force the reclassification of cannabis:

go to 109 minutes in
hxxp://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/hearing/2012-06-11am/
Monday 11 June 2012

from the transcript:

Q. Were policies such as the u-turn on casinos,
20 reclassification of cannabis and the retreat on 24-hour
21 drinking attempts to appease the Daily Mail in your
22 view?

23 A. No. If you look at each one of these individual
24 issues -- and I don't want to bore you with them --
25 I personally have strong opinions, as an individual,

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1 about the evil of excessive gambling. I thought that
2 the 24-hour licensing was causing us problems, and on
3 cannabis, you know, I don't hold what is probably the
4 more conventional view about the effects of soft drugs,
5 so I was against the reclassification of cannabis and in
6 fact we reclassified it back.
7 These are views that I hold personally and I hold
8 them quite strongly and I may say that probably I used
9 my position to persuade members of the government who
10 were not as keen on that policy was I was.

[pier09]

Sorry, it took me some time but I still think the views on Holland and his stance towards cannabis can be

refined. Holland is a politician's politician; during pre-election he was mostly concerned about losing votes

due to gut reactions in the general public towards 'drugs', so he named Valls as an insurance against any rightwing

backlash, but I still believe that once he feels more secure vis-a-vis his electorate, he will be at least ready

to put the matter of drug policies on the table for a fair discussion. A lot depends on his future alignment

towards different currents in the socialist and green parties in France. What I am trying to say is the situation

is fluid, much more so than under the former right wing government.

[pier09]

Sorry, I realise I am on a bit of a tangent in relation to the main thread, the position of David Cameron.

Well basically I believe that he , being a right-winger, cant be expected to have an honest angle on the whole

subject.

[Hir]

isn't 17 x 25 = 425% so that means that is 4.25 greater than is actually physically possible! You can't have, in this instance, referring to a percentage by weight, greater than 100%.

FalloutNV "Somebody correct me if I'm wrong"

This post has been edited by Hir: 29 June 2012 - 10:19 AM

[cannabisnz]

It isn't just about THC content. Some people can smoke killer sativas and seem to feel no effect at all but turn to zombies with heavy indicas. Personally I seem to get a headache with indicas but I love racey sativas. I don't really think you can say that CBD has a certain effect or THC has a certain effect because I think it is entirely subjective to the user and their brain physiology.

Like I know people who smoke the best weed they can get their hands on and then work all day in forestry gangs using chainsaws. I'm not saying I approve but just pointing out that the same weed can affect people differently. I've personally seen people "flip out" big time on a few puffs, go psychotic, throw up... whatever. Some people can barely talk after smoking good weed while other people can go off to work as though they're completely straight.

For me... it's more about everybody being penalised because of the few that can't handle weed. Some people can't handle alcohol. Some people can't handle hamburgers.... they obsessively overeat and die of obesity related disease. Nobody wants to ban hamburgers though.

I really think the potency issue is just a red herring. Once you get into the area of Medical Marijuana which is my area of research and interest then you often can't get weed that is strong enough. You need weed with a hit like a sledgehammer to cut through the ghastly prescribed pharmaceuticals that many terminally ill patients have to take. Even the most potent highest THC weed out there struggles against the symptoms of advanced Multiple Sclerosis and terminal cancer.

For the record all the strongest weed I have ever smoked in 30 years was/is landrace sativas.... not the new Skunks and cutting edge polyhybrids.... so for me the argument is just so much political rhetoric.

cannabisnz

[Arnold Layne]

cannabisnz, on 05 November 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

It isn't just about THC content. Some people can smoke killer sativas and seem to feel no effect at all but turn to zombies with heavy indicas. Personally I seem to get a headache with indicas but I love racey sativas. I don't really think you can say that CBD has a certain effect or THC has a certain effect because I think it is entirely subjective to the user and their brain physiology.

Like I know people who smoke the best weed they can get their hands on and then work all day in forestry gangs using chainsaws. I'm not saying I approve but just pointing out that the same weed can affect people differently. I've personally seen people "flip out" big time on a few puffs, go psychotic, throw up... whatever. Some people can barely talk after smoking good weed while other people can go off to work as though they're completely straight.

For me... it's more about everybody being penalised because of the few that can't handle weed. Some people can't handle alcohol. Some people can't handle hamburgers.... they obsessively overeat and die of obesity related disease. Nobody wants to ban hamburgers though.

I really think the potency issue is just a red herring. Once you get into the area of Medical Marijuana which is my area of research and interest then you often can't get weed that is strong enough. You need weed with a hit like a sledgehammer to cut through the ghastly prescribed pharmaceuticals that many terminally ill patients have to take. Even the most potent highest THC weed out there struggles against the symptoms of advanced Multiple Sclerosis and terminal cancer.

For the record all the strongest weed I have ever smoked in 30 years was/is landrace sativas.... not the new Skunks and cutting edge polyhybrids.... so for me the argument is just so much political rhetoric.

cannabisnz

There is nothing more to be said! Absolutely bang on the button mate, I agree with every word!

[lovemaryj71]

It's the only weapon left in they're arsenal Cameron's read the Hitchens guide book and is playing it word for word!

Anyone who has smoked for any length on time knows the truth!

This is prohibition and disimformation at its worst but as it comes from a complete liar its water of a ducks back!

E2a bad spelling

This post has been edited by lovemaryj71: 05 November 2012 - 10:42 AM

[Ineedweed]

Thats whats wrong with me, I've spent 22yrs smoking pot from child to man and this has fucked my brain so much I think that the law and government is persecuting a plant and it's users! Arghhhh skunky paranoia; best get to rehab to cure this terrible affliction!

Hold on....just because your paranoid does it mean their not after you?

[seanpatrick]

eventually it will be legalised. it's already happening in the usa. the uk/europe will be next.

it makes so much economic sence to legalise it (more tax for the government, emptier prisons)

we just need so proper smokers to get elected

vote for me