[trex]

Anonymous is not an organisation or group therefore it is impossible for anyone to be a member of anonymous. The best description of anonymous is that it resembles a herd of cats... It is nothing more than a loose collective of individuals and cells. Anyone can do anything anonymously, and they have been doing it for millennia. Only the media refers to anonymous as an organisation or group.

Also, the birth of the internet anonymous goes back further than 4chan (2004). My first experience of the power of anonymous was in 2000/2001 when somethingawful.com goons used to raid other websites and servers. The popular meme 'Pools Closed' actually comes from the Habbo Hotel raids of 2001, when anonymous grey-clad geno's blocked the entrance to the swimming pool in the online 3D game.

I feel so old

[Nick Mack]

If you're really worried about big brother turning your Internetz into a playschool, learn how the Internet really works.

Google "super secret security handbook", "opnewblood", "anonops".

[Ishmael]

ok how about this, the government didn't create anonymous, but they are spreading rumours on the internet that they did, so as to spread suspicion and destroy anonymous from within mwahahaha or possibly not

[roundsquare]

Nick Mack, on 19 May 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

If you're really worried about big brother turning your Internetz into a playschool, learn how the Internet really works.

Google "super secret security handbook", "opnewblood", "anonops".

Thank you

[lolz]

tonto, on 12 April 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

ok so i was thinking today while reading about the con-dem gvnt monitoring all internet traffic, if i was in government and wanted an excuse to remove all freedom from the internet, i would invent anonymous as an excuse for my actions. im not saying real people havent joined afterwards but i cant help thinking they as a hacking group havent really hit the bullseye but have hit the media a hell of a lot in the lead up to this new infringement of liberty they are about to drop on us.

maybe its just cos ive run out of weed

Governments have been spying on their populations as long as governments have existed, there's evidence to show they were pretty active in that department as far back as Roman Judea around the 1st century CE.

As long as there is something offering a degree of anonymity, a degree of freedom, it will be observed and eventually censored if it is dangerous, thats just part of the deal, you want government you get mind control, what is there you don't get?

You honestly think the government is willing to let the internet remain a free channel for intel, services, networking forever?

[Nick Mack]

Do the government concent to us growing cannabis?

[not-a-criminal]

lolz, on 23 May 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

tonto, on 12 April 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

ok so i was thinking today while reading about the con-dem gvnt monitoring all internet traffic, if i was in government and wanted an excuse to remove all freedom from the internet, i would invent anonymous as an excuse for my actions. im not saying real people havent joined afterwards but i cant help thinking they as a hacking group havent really hit the bullseye but have hit the media a hell of a lot in the lead up to this new infringement of liberty they are about to drop on us.

maybe its just cos ive run out of weed

Governments have been spying on their populations as long as governments have existed, there's evidence to show they were pretty active in that department as far back as Roman Judea around the 1st century CE.

As long as there is something offering a degree of anonymity, a degree of freedom, it will be observed and eventually censored if it is dangerous, thats just part of the deal, you want government you get mind control, what is there you don't get?

You honestly think the government is willing to let the internet remain a free channel for intel, services, networking forever?

It doesn't matter what they're willing to let us do, the idea of the internet is interconnected systems and it'll just pop up in a more bizarre, underground form if they manage to take out the internet as it stands now.

I think you're underestimating the power of anonymous, underestimating the determination of the hackers that loosely make its composition.

[Ishmael]

How does this sound?

It's not possible for individual governments fully to control globalised structures. That's why globalised industry gets away with so much. Because democracy, and the (often anti-democratic) free enterprise expansionism that tends to go hand in hand with it, is currently limited to nation states, global structures can escape the limited public ownership and control that democracy provides.

Antidemocratic business interests express themselves through governments like ours, but even they are not able to wield global power through that route - and they are not motivated to try very hard, as globalised industry is already often more powerful than individual governments. However what globalised industry cannot currently do is to 'regulate' global structures like the internet. So they make do with exploiting it.

There are good and bad aspects to this interesting situation because there are good and bad global structures.

It must be true that government snooping and control of the internet will grow as the technology to do so grows, but in the same way global resistance movememts like Anonymous who also understand the technology will tend to keep up with those efforts, and defeat them by being global rather than local.

Obviously if you believe that there is a secret global government then none of this holds true for you - but if there was such a power I think the internet would look a lot less free than it does right now. Current glonbal struggles over the internet look more like anarchy to me, not an anarchy of the people but a global anarchy in which global forces like international businesses and international terrorist groups and saboteurs, fight over global structures.

[synack]

You know...at first I thought it was ridiculous to think the Anonymous `phenomena` could be anything to do with security services/gov, but the more you consider it, the more possible / likely it seems.

The governments desperately want to regulate and control the internet to a greater degree. They are looking to make the internet seems like a dangerous place, a place that harbours or facilitates `terrorists`, if you like.

Problem, reaction, solution. It is a well known process. If there is something you want to control, which is not easy to justify to the mainstream, you create the problem. Dangerous, faceless anonymous internet hackers, capable of taking down and attacking institutions, large corporations and so on. Seems great... but in fact all it does is gives ammunition to the law makers to push for more oppressive measures to be taken to control `the problem` which in fact, their own minions have helped to create.

How many hacking groups get the mainstream media attention that Anonymous have?


Just some thoughts. Believe me, I was a real pro Anonymous kind of guy. I've just thought about this a bit lately, and it seems a little clearer. The government and their agencies are not stupid. They know how to create coups in foreign lands, to create chaos out of which to enforce order... why not the same in the `cyber` world? Some of the things which Anonymous have been credited for... you have to ask. Who really has the motivation or inclination, or indeed ability to do them? Who would take the risks. Very few I suspect.

Who knows...

[Nick Mack]

synack, on 24 June 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Some of the things which Anonymous have been credited for... you have to ask. Who really has the motivation or inclination, or indeed ability to do them? Who would take the risks. Very few I suspect.

Who knows...

Sorry to bring up an old thread but I really have to ask how much you really know about computer security?

The techniques used by anonymous really are very simple, anon are far from the elite hackers most people think they are. SQL injection and remote file inclusion are two techniques heavy used by anonymous and both are relatively simple as long as you have a basic grasp of computers, both can be used by simply modifying the URL of a website you are browsing and often result in total control of both the website in question and also the network the website is hosted on. Another trick they use is pretending to be an employee and simply phoning or e-mailing admin and claiming they have forgotten the login details as they are currently abroad and don't have access to their home/work pc. As for taking the risks, it's quite simple to hide your real id/location online if you want to, all it takes is a little knowledge of how networks are constructed and administrated.

The short version of Anonymous' hacking abilities is the fact that system admin's very rarely secure their networks properly, including government and large corporations.

[ShadyDave]

There is no such group, it's just a name which people go by if they feel insecure in what they are doing.

You want to be 'in' anonymous, well, bish bash bosh, there you go, you're now a fully fledged 'member'.

Seriously, it doesn't exist, there's no such group, 99% of the people who will tell you that they are 'in' them are dafties running ping-of-death 'toolz0rz' which would have been outdated when windows 98 came out.

Of course, that doesn't mean that the concept itself hasn't been hijacked by 'security' services, and I think it would be naive to believe that those with time and money wouldn't attempt to influence others via this outlet.

[iBMe]

Well they are not really a group, it's more like someone posts on a message board "annonymous attack at here at such and such time and place for whatever reason" and "get the dss software here" and instructions etc then it's just left to word of mouth and public opinion as to how many people feel they want to be part of the attack. You often see these type things on youtube or random forums, there's also a I would say semi-official (can't be official because there is no authority, but it's used a lot, and attacks and such are openly discussed) anonymous site on the "dark internet" that gets a different IP every month.

I think it's more likely tptb just use the media to scare monger and hype up the relatively harmless things they do do.

[Sir Sausage]

Dr.Dank, on 01 May 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Im pretty sure that isnt true, im sure ive read a few times of them threatening the goverment, they use their threats as blackmail most of the time though, they make big money out of it i should think.

BB

They don't make money and won't accept money for work. You can find out enough about them by following their facebook group.

[budassbud]

If Chuck Norris were anonymous.....