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Posted 15 November 2011 - 05:17 PM
Atheism is merely absence of belief.
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Atheists believe free will is illusory and non atheists believes death is illusory.
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Atheists believe free will is illusory and non atheists believes death is illusory.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 06:01 PM
Agnostic just means a lack of knowledge or evidence if you like, you can be an agnostic and a thiest or agnostic and athiest
An agnostic thiest has no knowledge (or proof) of god but they beleive
An agnostic athiest has no knowledge or beleif
As for it being a valid viewpoint ....yes im agnostic in regards to lots of things
Thats how ive understood the meaning of the word
An agnostic thiest has no knowledge (or proof) of god but they beleive
An agnostic athiest has no knowledge or beleif
As for it being a valid viewpoint ....yes im agnostic in regards to lots of things
Thats how ive understood the meaning of the word
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 06:03 PM
bazzad9, on 15 November 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:
Agnostic just means a lack of knowledge or evidence if you like, you can be an agnostic and a thiest or agnostic and athiest
An agnostic thiest has no knowledge (or proof) of god but they beleive
An agnostic athiest has no knowledge or beleif
As for it being a valid viewpoint ....yes im agnostic in regards to lots of things
Thats how ive understood the meaning of the word
An agnostic thiest has no knowledge (or proof) of god but they beleive
An agnostic athiest has no knowledge or beleif
As for it being a valid viewpoint ....yes im agnostic in regards to lots of things
Thats how ive understood the meaning of the word
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 06:05 PM
its like this, i dont know.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 06:16 PM
Yes, it is as 'valid' as any other viewpoint. In fact, as regards religion (which is the context in which the word is typically used) it seems to me to be the most rational approach 
I disagree vociferously with my (atheist, so she says) partner on this one
She says 'don't it hurt, sitting on the fence like that'
If anything, I feel that agnosticism is heroic in it's hardcore defiance of painful chesnuts and sarky partners
I disagree vociferously with my (atheist, so she says) partner on this one
She says 'don't it hurt, sitting on the fence like that'
If anything, I feel that agnosticism is heroic in it's hardcore defiance of painful chesnuts and sarky partners
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 06:21 PM
Does your partner believe in intelligent alien life Arbs?
Like you it seems to me to be the only rational position, anything else requires absolute certainty but without there being any concrete evidence to back it up.
Like you it seems to me to be the only rational position, anything else requires absolute certainty but without there being any concrete evidence to back it up.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 06:52 PM
~nobody~, on 15 November 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:
Does your partner believe in intelligent alien life Arbs?
Like you it seems to me to be the only rational position, anything else requires absolute certainty but without there being any concrete evidence to back it up.
Like you it seems to me to be the only rational position, anything else requires absolute certainty but without there being any concrete evidence to back it up.
I just asked
she says yeah, cos it'd be arrogant to insist that 'we' are the only ones, that evolution just happened once (or rather, just resulted in 'life' once, in ONE place in the universeS)
e2 add an S in universe, cos who knows how many of em there are
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:42 AM
Asserting that you don't know if god exists is true for everyone as it says in the video because only god can know this. So if everyone has that viewpoint its not a viewpoint at all. It means to me that you don't want to take any position on what is clearly a critical part of being a social creature. It is evading the question for whatever motivating reason you may have for doing that.
I do like the bit at the end about god being an atheist
I do like the bit at the end about god being an atheist
This post has been edited by troy: 16 November 2011 - 12:44 AM
Atheism is merely absence of belief.
S. Pinker
Atheists believe free will is illusory and non atheists believes death is illusory.
S. Pinker
Atheists believe free will is illusory and non atheists believes death is illusory.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:59 AM
Can't watch the video cos my PC is shit.
But agnosticism is absolutely not evading the question, it is taking a very real stance, the only sensible stance and the only stance that doesn't whiff of arrogance, and an absolutely valid viewpoint.
Does God exist ?
I do not know, I do not think I can ever know for certain (given that the existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven), so I cannot make a judgement either way and I would be a fool to pretend that I can, so as a result the question itself is meaningless.
Does God exist or not ?
It doesn't fucking matter. That is the ultimate point of agnosticism, not that I don't know the answer to the question, but that the question itself has no provable answer. So what is the point of even bothering with a question that has no answer ? The question itself is meaningless.
E2A Agnosticism has a pretty distinguished history as a valid area of religious opinion, far brighter people have written about it than this ridiculous drunk
But agnosticism is absolutely not evading the question, it is taking a very real stance, the only sensible stance and the only stance that doesn't whiff of arrogance, and an absolutely valid viewpoint.
Does God exist ?
I do not know, I do not think I can ever know for certain (given that the existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven), so I cannot make a judgement either way and I would be a fool to pretend that I can, so as a result the question itself is meaningless.
Does God exist or not ?
It doesn't fucking matter. That is the ultimate point of agnosticism, not that I don't know the answer to the question, but that the question itself has no provable answer. So what is the point of even bothering with a question that has no answer ? The question itself is meaningless.
E2A Agnosticism has a pretty distinguished history as a valid area of religious opinion, far brighter people have written about it than this ridiculous drunk
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:51 AM
Boojum, on 16 November 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:
Can't watch the video cos my PC is shit.
But agnosticism is absolutely not evading the question, it is taking a very real stance, the only sensible stance and the only stance that doesn't whiff of arrogance, and an absolutely valid viewpoint.
Does God exist ?
I do not know, I do not think I can ever know for certain (given that the existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven), so I cannot make a judgement either way and I would be a fool to pretend that I can, so as a result the question itself is meaningless.
Does God exist or not ?
It doesn't fucking matter. That is the ultimate point of agnosticism, not that I don't know the answer to the question, but that the question itself has no provable answer. So what is the point of even bothering with a question that has no answer ? The question itself is meaningless.
E2A Agnosticism has a pretty distinguished history as a valid area of religious opinion, far brighter people have written about it than this ridiculous drunk
But agnosticism is absolutely not evading the question, it is taking a very real stance, the only sensible stance and the only stance that doesn't whiff of arrogance, and an absolutely valid viewpoint.
Does God exist ?
I do not know, I do not think I can ever know for certain (given that the existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven), so I cannot make a judgement either way and I would be a fool to pretend that I can, so as a result the question itself is meaningless.
Does God exist or not ?
It doesn't fucking matter. That is the ultimate point of agnosticism, not that I don't know the answer to the question, but that the question itself has no provable answer. So what is the point of even bothering with a question that has no answer ? The question itself is meaningless.
E2A Agnosticism has a pretty distinguished history as a valid area of religious opinion, far brighter people have written about it than this ridiculous drunk
Far from ridiculous Booj, I agree with the above and would like to add, who gives a fuck anyhoo!
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 04:49 AM
This video's obnoxious. He cancels out "agnosticism" because everyone is one anyway so that leaves 2 choices. So then I must make my mind up to "believe" or not, as if there's only 2 possible scenarios. He says agnostics are all high and mighty at the beginning then listen to this prick. Please stop insisting that I "must know if I believe or not", I don't fucking know. I have thought it through and option 2 is the closest word that fits what I believe. Prick
edit: Notice how he says No one knows if unicorns do NOT exist. Right. But he knows that a god doesn't exist (atheist). Where is this logic now?
edit2: I think this says it all:
@theUKatheist Three positions:
1. The belief that God(s) exist
2. The belief that no God(s) exist.
3. The position that neither of the above beliefs are adequately supported, that one or the other could be true.
The first position is theism, the second is atheism. What do you call the third position?
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@Seekarr I'm sorry but that made little sense to me.
How can someone not accept a belief in a God but also in no God? please repeat the question by rephrasing it to make sense. Thanks.
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edit: Notice how he says No one knows if unicorns do NOT exist. Right. But he knows that a god doesn't exist (atheist). Where is this logic now?
edit2: I think this says it all:
@theUKatheist Three positions:
1. The belief that God(s) exist
2. The belief that no God(s) exist.
3. The position that neither of the above beliefs are adequately supported, that one or the other could be true.
The first position is theism, the second is atheism. What do you call the third position?
Seekarr 1 day ago
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@Seekarr I'm sorry but that made little sense to me.
How can someone not accept a belief in a God but also in no God? please repeat the question by rephrasing it to make sense. Thanks.
theUKatheist 1 day ago
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 04:55 AM
Is the question: "Is agnosticism a valid viewpoint?" a valid question? I don't think it is, because you haven't set any parameters for 'valid'.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 05:53 AM
Whoa Eddie don't go asking troy for valid parameters he'll blow a gasket
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 07:00 AM
Using the term "is" kind of ties any particular viewpoint to the users own personal sense of reality making the whole point invalid to the people reading and watching....the term agnostic only relates to a users personal view of the universe
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 08:01 AM
Do you want GOD to exist?
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