[bazzad9]

Puff Adder, on 16 January 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Legal or not I have made a promise to myself that should anyone I hold dear develop cancer I will cultivate enough MJ to make plenty of cannabis oil with which to give them. It should always be the individual's choice whether to be treated e.g. with chemotherapy, etc. But my offer will stand. Personally I would without doubt give it a go for myself should I end up in such a situation. I can say that having seen what radiation treatment does to some people I would more than likely opt not to go that route even if it did mean my chances of survival were drastically reduced. Each to their own though.

I recently gave my dad the option (cancer) ,he was feeling pretty sick all the time so I told him it might help if he was interested I could find some reading on it ,he knows I grow so it would be a good source

So far he hasn't asked so I'm not going to push it

[Puff Adder]

bazzad9, on 16 January 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

Puff Adder, on 16 January 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Legal or not I have made a promise to myself that should anyone I hold dear develop cancer I will cultivate enough MJ to make plenty of cannabis oil with which to give them. It should always be the individual's choice whether to be treated e.g. with chemotherapy, etc. But my offer will stand. Personally I would without doubt give it a go for myself should I end up in such a situation. I can say that having seen what radiation treatment does to some people I would more than likely opt not to go that route even if it did mean my chances of survival were drastically reduced. Each to their own though.

I recently gave my dad the option (cancer) ,he was feeling pretty sick all the time so I told him it might help if he was interested I could find some reading on it ,he knows I grow so it would be a good source

So far he hasn't asked so I'm not going to push it

I am sure that your father appreciates your compassionate gesture regardless of whether or not he decides to go for it! I would do the same. I wish you and your dad well bazzad9.

[Tuzio]

Boojum, on 16 January 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Making claims like cannabis cures colon cancer is irresponsible.

Sorry, but it is.

Unless you can prove it in a proper scientific test, under controlled conditions then all you are doing is giving ammunition to the prohibitionists. Cannabis loony makes crazy claims...

Not trying to be confrontational here, but have you tried google before jumping on the "irresponsible/bad science" bandwagon?
Here's some material you might have found:
h ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21566064
h ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1576089/
h ttp://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4
h ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15030397

What this means to me is that the antitumor effects of cannabis is well documented, as well as its ability to stop the propagation of metastasis and protect the tissue surrounding the tumor.
Does this mean that everyone who's got a tumor should start using it? Nope.
Has Graywolf ever said that cannabis, without a doubt, cured those two people's cancer? Not quite:

Graywolf, on 16 January 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Twice now I have supplied cannabis oil to colon cancer patients and when they showed up for surgery 30 days later, the cancer was gone.

He has only stated the facts. You might blame him for not giving you enough facts, but can you exclude with 100% certainty that cannabis cured those tumors? If not, then personally, I consider that information a favour. Considering how expensive and ineffective chemoterapy is, and adding to that the fact we know since the 70ies that cannabis does have an antitumor effect, what I consider irresponsible is to let hundreds of thousands of people every year (just in the UK) die as we wait for the medical establishment to verify something that, in my personal view, would be relatively simple, safe, and surely not immoral to figure out on our own.

Sorry for the tirade everyone, have fun.

/Tuzio

This post has been edited by Tuzio: 16 January 2012 - 10:37 PM

[Eddiesilence]

Tuzio, on 16 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Not trying to be confrontational here, but have you tried google before jumping on the "irresponsible/bad science" bandwagon?

Pointing out bad science is a 'bandwagon'?

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Graywolf, on 16 January 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Twice now I have supplied cannabis oil to colon cancer patients and when they showed up for surgery 30 days later, the cancer was gone.

He has only stated the facts. You might blame him for not giving you enough facts, but can you exclude with 100% certainty that cannabis cured those tumors?

That isn't how science works; the burden of proof is on the claimant. Moreover, he's only stated a tiny fraction of 'the facts' because the 'experiment' so to speak, has no controls. Data omitted might also include going to a faith healer, watching Eastenders, stopping dairy, using coffee enemas, and getting chemotherapy at the same time.

e2a: Chemotherapy is remarkably effective, by the way. It's not the failure that cancer-woo fans make out. That's just part of the 'cancer cure' industry sales paradigm.

This post has been edited by Eddiesilence: 16 January 2012 - 11:00 PM

[Tuzio]

Eddiesilence, on 16 January 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Tuzio, on 16 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Not trying to be confrontational here, but have you tried google before jumping on the "irresponsible/bad science" bandwagon?

Pointing out bad science is a 'bandwagon'?

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Graywolf, on 16 January 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Twice now I have supplied cannabis oil to colon cancer patients and when they showed up for surgery 30 days later, the cancer was gone.

He has only stated the facts. You might blame him for not giving you enough facts, but can you exclude with 100% certainty that cannabis cured those tumors?

That isn't how science works; the burden of proof is on the claimant. Moreover, he's only stated a tiny fraction of 'the facts' because the 'experiment' so to speak, has no controls. Data omitted might also include going to a faith healer, watching Eastenders, stopping dairy, using coffee enemas, and getting chemotherapy at the same time.

e2a: Chemotherapy is remarkably effective, by the way. It's not the failure that cancer-woo fans make out. That's just part of the 'cancer cure' industry sales paradigm.

But it *is* a bandwagon. What scientific basis for using chemoterapy do we have? Drug studies should be conducted against its most effective alternative - not against placebo - to determine whether it's of any use to cure a condition. Also, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but chemoterapy is ineffective to the point of seeming, in my opinion, pretty stupid considering its consequences:

"RESULTS: The overall contribution of curative and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the USA.". Little more than 2% *against placebo* . You can find the full text here - on a side note, Eddie, science is done with numbers. Talk is cheap.

Then again, if I say "a dude took oil and in 30 days he had no cancer" it means just that. It's up to you to connect the dots. I don't want to get into a neverending debate as to whether cannabis cures cancer or not, I've already posted research papers explaining its antitumor properties in great detail (cancer-woo fan scientists, perhaps?).

All I'm saying is, I don't see one tiny bit of irresponsibility in what Graywolf posted.

Last thing - before I hear "cancer-woo fans" again: I've lost 3 of my grandparents and my dad to cancer. They all did chemo, and it wasn't a pretty sight.

/Tuzio

P.S.: Quite unhappy with how the debate is going, I'd have hoped for a more open mind on the subject from cannabis users/growers, so I'm "over and out" on this thread.

[Boojum]

Tuzio, on 16 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Boojum, on 16 January 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Making claims like cannabis cures colon cancer is irresponsible.

Sorry, but it is.

Unless you can prove it in a proper scientific test, under controlled conditions then all you are doing is giving ammunition to the prohibitionists. Cannabis loony makes crazy claims...

Not trying to be confrontational here, but have you tried google before jumping on the "irresponsible/bad science" bandwagon?
Here's some material you might have found:
h ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21566064
h ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1576089/
h ttp://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4
h ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15030397

What this means to me is that the antitumor effects of cannabis is well documented, as well as its ability to stop the propagation of metastasis and protect the tissue surrounding the tumor.
Does this mean that everyone who's got a tumor should start using it? Nope.
Has Graywolf ever said that cannabis, without a doubt, cured those two people's cancer? Not quite:

Graywolf, on 16 January 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Twice now I have supplied cannabis oil to colon cancer patients and when they showed up for surgery 30 days later, the cancer was gone.

He has only stated the facts. You might blame him for not giving you enough facts, but can you exclude with 100% certainty that cannabis cured those tumors? If not, then personally, I consider that information a favour. Considering how expensive and ineffective chemoterapy is, and adding to that the fact we know since the 70ies that cannabis does have an antitumor effect, what I consider irresponsible is to let hundreds of thousands of people every year (just in the UK) die as we wait for the medical establishment to verify something that, in my personal view, would be relatively simple, safe, and surely not immoral to figure out on our own.

Sorry for the tirade everyone, have fun.

/Tuzio

Erm, no offence but the title of the thread is "Holy shit whacks colon cancer in 30 days."

Kinda irresponsible tabloid shit, isn't it ?

I know the research, but to make a claim like it "whacks colon cancer in 30 days." is irresponsible.

You don't need to post a list of research papers, I've read them, and you don't need to accuse me of jumping on any bandwagon, because I'm not.

I know what I'm talking about man, and I'm not the enemy

[Eddiesilence]

Tuzio, on 16 January 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

But it *is* a bandwagon. What scientific basis for using chemoterapy do we have?

No it isn't, and there's lots of peer-reviewed evidence plus overwhelming data from many decades of refinement, but that's irrelevant. Chemotherapy isn't on trial here - the point is this:

The dude claimed to whack colon cancer in 30 days, with hemp oil. That's irresponsible without backing it up with hard data. Like you said - talk is cheap.

This post has been edited by Eddiesilence: 16 January 2012 - 11:57 PM

[Tuzio]

Boojum, on 16 January 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Erm, no offence but the title of the thread is "Holy shit whacks colon cancer in 30 days."

Kinda irresponsible tabloid shit, isn't it ?

You're right. I didn't see that until you pointed it out. It is somewhat sensationalist.

Boojum, on 16 January 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

I know the research, but to make a claim like it "whacks colon cancer in 30 days." is irresponsible.

You don't need to post a list of research papers, I've read them, and you don't need to accuse me of jumping on any bandwagon, because I'm not.

I know what I'm talking about man, and I'm not the enemy

I hope so, it's just that when something like that comes up, however badly presented, I think it would be a show of a good, inquisitive attitude to check whether or not there is anything out there that would suggest that the claim makes any sense to start with, and then campaign loud and hard to get the medical establishment to figure out whether it's true, rather than just conclude it's irresponsible - if trying to provide a drug that caused less deaths than aspirin to terminally ill people is really such an outlandish thought.

I understand what you're saying, and I appreciate your reply, but I just can't understand why our attitude isn't half that critical towards extremely expensive poison like chemioterapic agents, the kind of stuff that could make you heave to the point your throat broke.

But here's me ranting again... I'm sorry if I sounded like I was trolling, I am just very passionate on the subject. I'm off to bed

[Graywolf]

Moderator, will you please change the title of this post to "Colon cancer mysteriously disappears and doctors baffled", so that everyone on this thread feels comfortable?

I published what I thought was hope, for those who have run out of other options. Clearly that isn't how it was received, and both my character and motives have been questioned and assailed for doing so.

I have no intention of wasting my time defending my character or motives to any of you, because at my age they are a matter of record and there is nothing I have to prove. If you can use anything I say, bon appetite, and if you can't please just discard it.

The anti-tumor properties of cannabis are also a matter of record. I didn't discover them; I have just supplied oil for the last few years pro bono, to cancer and end of life patients who have come to me and asked for me to help them try to live. I do it for no other reason in retirement, that it pleases me to do so and because I can.

Might I suggest that ya'll get off your collective high horses and supply concentrates pro bono to cancer and end of life patients, as well as volunteer patient test panels with a broad range of illnesses for the next five years before attempting to judge me or my motives.

For ya'll noobies, just now hearing about the medical properties of cannabis, here is a 50 cent cooks tour cartoon:

[~nobody~]

Thread title changed as per OP's request.

[Hughie Green]

"Might I suggest that ya'll get off your collective high horses and supply concentrates pro bono to cancer and end of life patients, as well as volunteer patient test panels with a broad range of illnesses for the next five years before attempting to judge me or my motives."

While the service you provide is highly laudable and admirable, many here would love to be in the position to assist medi users but I suspect you are unaware of the nature of persons using this forum and of the current situation and atmosphere created by prohibition in the UK, I assume you are American yes.
we currently have personal use growers with small plant numbers going to prison due to a new ruling and please forgive us for not having the highly expensive oil manufacturing equipment and access to chemicals we just do not have that kind of scene here,
perhaps if you took the time to talk to the people on the forum and get to know us before launching your numerous threads about oil chemistry and distillation you may have had a better reception,

you should consider that quite a number of people here are quite ill physically, mentally or both,another significant portion have limited means and grow space and yet more wish to be self sufficient in quality bud and nothing more

not everyone has the same ability,experience, knowledge and equipment as yourself, we need to keep our plant numbers low and utilise every part to get the most out of them, also coming on here basically blowing your own trumpet about your expertise and charitable exploits and insinuating that those here that can do nothing for medi uses is arrogant, rude and ever so slightly elitist, or has it slipped your mind it is illegal here?, we have every so often cannabis snobs coming on and berating our apparently stone age smoking of buds and championing the mega expensive glassware and "erl" this is no different, I for one am quite sick to the stomach with self styled cannabis evangelists,

you should get off your high horse and start talking to those people and perhaps you will find that what you require from us is quite difficult to achieve given our different circumstances, I personally struggle to get a decent crop never mind making quality oil.

Your motives are fine, your delivery needs work.

[Graywolf]

Hughie Green, on 17 January 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

"Might I suggest that ya'll get off your collective high horses and supply concentrates pro bono to cancer and end of life patients, as well as volunteer patient test panels with a broad range of illnesses for the next five years before attempting to judge me or my motives."

While the service you provide is highly laudable and admirable, many here would love to be in the position to assist medi users but I suspect you are unaware of the nature of persons using this forum and of the current situation and atmosphere created by prohibition in the UK, I assume you are American yes.
we currently have personal use growers with small plant numbers going to prison due to a new ruling and please forgive us for not having the highly expensive oil manufacturing equipment and access to chemicals we just do not have that kind of scene here,
perhaps if you took the time to talk to the people on the forum and get to know us before launching your numerous threads about oil chemistry and distillation you may have had a better reception,

you should consider that quite a number of people here are quite ill physically, mentally or both,another significant portion have limited means and grow space and yet more wish to be self sufficient in quality bud and nothing more

not everyone has the same ability,experience, knowledge and equipment as yourself, we need to keep our plant numbers low and utilise every part to get the most out of them, also coming on here basically blowing your own trumpet about your expertise and charitable exploits and insinuating that those here that can do nothing for medi uses is arrogant, rude and ever so slightly elitist, or has it slipped your mind it is illegal here?, we have every so often cannabis snobs coming on and berating our apparently stone age smoking of buds and championing the mega expensive glassware and "erl" this is no different, I for one am quite sick to the stomach with self styled cannabis evangelists,

you should get off your high horse and start talking to those people and perhaps you will find that what you require from us is quite difficult to achieve given our different circumstances, I personally struggle to get a decent crop never mind making quality oil.

Your motives are fine, your delivery needs work.

Yes, I am a half breed Native American thank you!

I believe in your little private teapot that you believe that you and your fellow detractors haven't been extremely rude. I also believe you believe ya'll speak for this forum.

What I think is behind this attack is that some how my presence here makes you feel threatened and you feel you should dictate what technology is available to everyone else. It somehow doesn't seem to register or matter to you that some cannabis cures are only possible with concentrates.

I don't believe that you are the forum voice and have more important things to do with my remaining time than entertain sagging egoes. Have a nice life my brother.

[wildbill]

TYS, on 17 January 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

I for one think you're a valuable addition to UK420, I've learnt processes and information from your threads that didn't exist until last week.

The fact of the matter is that if the thread had been titled differently the usual hedge jumpers wouldn't have had much to say.

As you were Graywolf

Seconded, in spades.

Please don't be offended Graywolf. I know from experience that we have a very different dynamic & culture to North America. It is very easy to get caught up in the difference between our cultures. In comparison, we tend to be much more reserved, but have far more in common than the few differences that exist.

I was very interested to read some of your posts, once again welcome to uk420.

keep it up

Bill

[distracted]

Graywolf, on 17 January 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

I believe in your little private teapot that you believe that you and your fellow detractors haven't been extremely rude.

challenging someones claims isn't being rude and it is not detraction to ask someone with extraordinary claims to provide further evidence, all human knowledge progresses through a series of challenges to it's veracity. You yourself surely would have been your fiercest critic before you felt you were confident enough in your findings to post this information simultaneously across multiple cannabis forums?

I really hope that your preparation proves to be the cure your initial results suggests but please don't misinterpret peoples motives in posting anything but applause for your discovery, I read all of the questions raised in this thread as being driven by concern, concern that claims that can't be justified are being made, concern that people in need of a cure like this will invest their hopes in a preparation that has no medical value. I hope the later is not true and that your excitement is well founded and will rise further as more positive results are generated all the very best of luck with it

Slightly off topic and I hope you don't mind humouring my curiosity but reading your replies on other forums took me to a thread you started about the recipe you use and how it is based on a recipe handed by the Lord to Moses in Exodus Ch 30 22-30, in my Bible (King James) the only ingredient I don't recognise is Sweet Calamus, is this Cannabis?