[grandad]

was there a time in the past when we lived peacefully, only those who had food could survive, small communities living in harmony. what could have changed. my mindseye can see those who would be leader wanting change, putting forward idea's of increasing everything, i imagine the wise men held them of until the dreaded day 1000's of years ago when the cunning of the young greedy overpowered the old and wise. more food meant more people, to pay for the food they worked the land, gold was introduced the farmers became rich and the goldsmiths became richer. then the world took a course that would see a rise and a lowering of populations. i can see it all happening like it was just yesterday. the leaders began paying men as bodyguards, slow but sure that small band of men turned into armies, weapons came into being, each and every turn sees the population increasing, the rich getting richer and the powerful making themselves into gods. somewhere down the line religion was devised as a way of controling the ever growing population. once factories started spewing out smoke and gas and whatever nasties, killing the working class by the 1000, the rich and powerful realised they needed to take better care of us, its only very recent that care started and already its being taken away, the truth is we only have rights if allowed them, they can take them away if they desire, they have ways and the means to do it, leaving us with little or no will to resist.

[mrrichiet]

Where's the question mark?!

2ea: I didn't mean that to sound as cuntish as it did. I think you're right on grandad

This post has been edited by mrrichiet: 22 April 2013 - 09:39 PM

[jah420]

Spot on mate. I often despair at the human race, we have so much potential, and it is constantly pissed away. And not just by the cunts at the top, the average Joe has no care about the lies they are constantly fed, and the planet they live on.

Only thing that gives me hope are the words of a man much wiser than me, "be the change you want to see in world"

peace

[Moi]

who ever made up the words 'human race' have a lot to answer for never mind all these other races nationality tags and what not, why is it called 'race' anyway? what we competing for? was it put there as a subconscious thing to keep us at it? either way I dropped my labels ages ago, cant tell me what or who I am, they can only make a word up and say this means that and if we discard it what do we have then?

[Felix Dzerzhinsky]

Once a long time ago the human race lived short brutish lives where most children died before they got to 10 years old and something as simple as a dental cavity could cause years of pain before killing you from an infected abscess. Plagues that are now easily treatable with modern antibiotics regularly used to sweep across the land killing millions.

People used to live in small communities that would regularly wage war against each other and enslave other human beings, something that nowadays is thankfully rare.

Over time people discovered agriculture that meant they no longer had to live as hunter gatherers and the human lifespan plummeted, people crowded together into larger and larger cities that were racked by plague and infections that they didn't understand and were unable to treat.

I could go on but you get the picture. There was no garden of Eden all those years ago, life was short and was often made shorter by war, famine or pestilence.

[chronic1]

Some people would have you believe, that hell is a place you could possibly go when you die,when the truth is your already in hell. Earth is a prison for the soul, your life is your sentence. When you die you will return to the spirit world,which is your true existence.

Don't ask me why or how, seek inside yourselves for your answers !!!

[SilC]

grandad, on 22 April 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

was there a time in the past when we lived peacefully, only those who had food could survive, small communities living in harmony. what could have changed. my mindseye can see those who would be leader wanting change, putting forward idea's of increasing everything, i imagine the wise men held them of until the dreaded day 1000's of years ago when the cunning of the young greedy overpowered the old and wise. more food meant more people, to pay for the food they worked the land, gold was introduced the farmers became rich and the goldsmiths became richer. then the world took a course that would see a rise and a lowering of populations. i can see it all happening like it was just yesterday. the leaders began paying men as bodyguards, slow but sure that small band of men turned into armies, weapons came into being, each and every turn sees the population increasing, the rich getting richer and the powerful making themselves into gods. somewhere down the line religion was devised as a way of controling the ever growing population. once factories started spewing out smoke and gas and whatever nasties, killing the working class by the 1000, the rich and powerful realised they needed to take better care of us, its only very recent that care started and already its being taken away, the truth is we only have rights if allowed them, they can take them away if they desire, they have ways and the means to do it, leaving us with little or no will to resist.

Until one taxi driver forever changed the decline of western civilisation and the world was saved .

Sorry ,thought I was reading a book and wondering what the rest might be . Deep man

[Flobalobalobalot]

grandad . .
.. in essence, 'Buddhism' is the realization that 'life is shitty, & all the types of suffering, collectively known as 'Dukkha'. . . have a 'source' . .
. .. & 'IF' you can 'think link' with that source, that source can 'instantly' take you out of all the types of suffering (Dukkha). . .& instantly place you within pain free harmony with your body, mind, & surroundings, & give you ecstatic energy .. ..

. .. so from something like 'hell on earth' to something like 'a lack of hell on earth'. . . 'instantly' . . in responce to acknowledgement & realization . .. like a sort of 'instant reincarnation'.

. . Buddha said . "I teach about one thing and one thing only . . . Suffering, and the end of suffering."



e2a: the 'Tibetan book of the dead' states: "realization & liberation are simultaneous"

This post has been edited by Flobalobalobalot: 23 April 2013 - 07:27 AM

[Mr_WigglesWorth]

Every living creature on this planet lives in harmony with its environment but we have become collectively an enemy to life itself. Over 4 billion years of evolution, endless catastrophe, cause, affect and bodged solutions should never have given rise to such a vicious cancer. But it has. Or has it?

Nobody has ever voted for war, destruction and unsustainable growth!

I believe its all down to money and those who have the majority of it.

[Laramie]

I think if there was an Eden it would have been during the post glacial mesolithic period, when temperatures were higher than today by a couple of degrees, populations low and scattered, game plentiful, rivers full of fish, and easy living. Agriculture was the apple.

This post has been edited by Laramie: 23 April 2013 - 08:13 AM

[grandad]

they say that smoking cannabis has a negative affect on us, but we know it not true, its only negative to the people who own us, its not productive for them for us to think for ourselves, they need us to be locked into the system. they think we are treated very well, but we are only treated well if we obey them to the letter, become a slave to the system without question and you will be rewarded, all the others will eventually be punished. shit man is that a drab picture or what, sadly its true, so just take lots of drugs and colour up your like and fuck em all, dont do the alcohol, that suits the system by killing your brain cells.

[grandad]

Felix Dzerzhinsky, on 22 April 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Once a long time ago the human race lived short brutish lives where most children died before they got to 10 years old and something as simple as a dental cavity could cause years of pain before killing you from an infected abscess. Plagues that are now easily treatable with modern antibiotics regularly used to sweep across the land killing millions.

People used to live in small communities that would regularly wage war against each other and enslave other human beings, something that nowadays is thankfully rare.

Over time people discovered agriculture that meant they no longer had to live as hunter gatherers and the human lifespan plummeted, people crowded together into larger and larger cities that were racked by plague and infections that they didn't understand and were unable to treat.

I could go on but you get the picture. There was no garden of Eden all those years ago, life was short and was often made shorter by war, famine or pestilence.

shit man you are so far out you got lost. my garden of edan was 1000's of years ago, i shortened a story that i could take months explaining my thinking, you need to break away from the brainwashed society we live in and read what i said again.

[BiPolar Dave]

chronic1, on 22 April 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Some people would have you believe, that hell is a place you could possibly go when you die,when the truth is your already in hell. Earth is a prison for the soul, your life is your sentence. When you die you will return to the spirit world,which is your true existence.

Don't ask me why or how, seek inside yourselves for your answers !!!

Flobalobalobalot, on 23 April 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

grandad . .
.. in essence, 'Buddhism' is the realization that 'life is shitty, & all the types of suffering, collectively known as 'Dukkha'. . . have a 'source' . .
. .. & 'IF' you can 'think link' with that source, that source can 'instantly' take you out of all the types of suffering (Dukkha). . .& instantly place you within pain free harmony with your body, mind, & surroundings, & give you ecstatic energy .. ..

. .. so from something like 'hell on earth' to something like 'a lack of hell on earth'. . . 'instantly' . . in responce to acknowledgement & realization . .. like a sort of 'instant reincarnation'.

. . Buddha said . "I teach about one thing and one thing only . . . Suffering, and the end of suffering."



e2a: the 'Tibetan book of the dead' states: "realization & liberation are simultaneous"

Quite, right....im happy as a pig in hell.

[grandad]

i would like to think we had peace in the beginning, before the greed of the few set in. the utopia could have lasted for 100's even 1000's of years, before history started to be logged nobody owned anything. its only when ownership began that greed would have taken over.

[Floyd]

chronic1, on 22 April 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Some people would have you believe, that hell is a place you could possibly go when you die,when the truth is your already in hell.

Not sure where you live or what your going through mate or if I am taking you serious again when your not being, but imo hell
is a religious construct and at best a descriptive word.. I certainly (and others I know) would far from choose to describe or define this life as hell.

Edit: grammar

This post has been edited by Floyd: 23 April 2013 - 08:39 AM