[L'Emmerdeur]

I'm pretty sure 1 tsp of essence and the same of molasses in 2.5 litres will brew up fine, so you shouldn't have to use any more.

26c is fine anyway, from my experience.

[lazaru]

tywyn, on 06 January 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

So I bought a water heater, aquariam thermometer, pressure sprayer and all the other bits required to get this brew going, but I am nowhere near getting the temp within the required range. To say that I'm annoyed would be an understatement. The water heater needs a min of 2.5L just so that the min water level is covered and I'm not making up 2.5L for a spray for some bonsai mother plants, it would cost a fortune to maintain! Leaving the water in a propogator leaves the temp way to low, and leaving the water in another container in the lowest setting on the hob brings the temp up to 39c which is too high. Earlier I also tried putting the 1L jug in a heated propogator in my DR120 with an oil filled rad in there, but the temp had dropped to 26c when I looked, so way too low. Still no solution in sight

hey tywyn been havin the same probs as you just couldnt keep the temp stable 30 ish ,so it got me thinking and ive got some water goin now now in a slow cooker one of those things you plug in and do stews and things like
ive put it on the lowest setting and hooked it up to a timer its coming on for 15 mins every 2 1/2 hours

its been on the go now for 15 hours and the water staying round the 30.c mark , im gonna give it 24 hours just with the plain water to see how it holds up ,then do the proper thing ... seems like a lot of fcuking about but bet its gonna be worth it
e2a you need to do a test run first ,my first time i had the timer switching on every 2 hours and the water went over 40.c so needs a bit of fine tunning

This post has been edited by lazaru: 07 January 2012 - 01:49 PM

[Casey Jones]

Thanks lazaru, although I don't have a slow cooker, and I'm certainly not going to buy one, but thanks for the advice anyway. I managed to get it to a stablish 33c, but then after I added the essence it went up to 37c. By this time I'd had enough and I turned it down slightly and went to bed, then when I got up it was 14.4c. I turned it up again, and I cant get it to stabalise below 37c without is dipping really low. I've really had a fucking pants full of this now as it really is ridiculous to expect your average home grower to be so preicse in getting the correct temps.

As I said I've got a water heater, but it needs 2.5L to cover the min water level, and that's in a 3L bottle which is filled to the top, but I aint making up 2.5L to spray a few bonsai mums. At £12 a pop for the essence, it really isn't cheap. They really need to think this product through for your average home user, as getting temps within the range is a massive pain in the arse.

This post has been edited by tywyn: 07 January 2012 - 03:54 PM

[Casey Jones]

Poacher, on 07 January 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

guys you are all going on about maintaining the temps but are you all ignoring the post by Oldtimer1 above! whats the point in an experienced guy like that taking the time to advise you if you just dont listen

I'm sure you can heat a saucepan of water to 35 c then go and bubble it in a relatively warm location. I've never bothered with maintaining the temps but if you are that bothered go and buy a cheap heated prop and put your water container on that to brew it.

I tried the heated propogator in a tent with a 450w oil rad yesterday, but I gave up after I noticed the temp had dipped to 26c and plummeting, so the warm location thingie is pretty much blown out of the water I'm afraid mate.

Edit: I just checked the mixture now and it's gone up to 40.4c. I'm fucking raging now as it's spoiled and will have to start again. Tbh I honestly can't be bothered with fucking about. The mood I'm in now I feel like tosing the bonsai mums away and just growing from seed. This really is way too much fucking headwork.

This post has been edited by tywyn: 07 January 2012 - 04:08 PM

[ska]

Your right Poacher mate, I've made quite a few batches now and not once worried about mu temps, started with warm water and left in a warm place and I've always had good results.

[L'Emmerdeur]

L, on 07 January 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure 1 tsp of essence and the same of molasses in 2.5 litres will brew up fine, so you shouldn't have to use any more.

26c is fine anyway, from my experience.

I'm wondering.

Am I on ignore?



E2a - You can also put your litre of brew inside a container and place that inside a larger container filled with water and your heater. That's how I do it. It's a piece of piss to be honest, I don't know why you're getting yourself in a flap dude.

This post has been edited by L'Emmerdeur: 07 January 2012 - 07:57 PM

[Casey Jones]

L, on 07 January 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

I'm wondering.

Am I on ignore?



E2a - You can also put your litre of brew inside a container and place that inside a larger container filled with water and your heater. That's how I do it. It's a piece of piss to be honest, I don't know why you're getting yourself in a flap dude.

No you're not on ignore but it speciaficlly states 1 teaspoon per litre of both essence and molasses. Giving it 1 teaspoon per 2.5l would dilute it far too much surely? The water heater is 27cm long far too big to fit in anything I have here, although I havent tried a bucket. I have managed to get a stable 31c by placing the 2L plastic jug (with 1 litre of brew in it) in a glass bowl, which in turn is in a plastic bowl, which in turn is in a large cauldron type pot. It's the same brew that went up to 40c at one point, but I'll not throw it. I'll try it out and will make a new brew in the next 5 days anyway. It's still a pain in the arse though.

I'll try the water heater in a bucket next time, with the 2L jug in the bucket.

This post has been edited by tywyn: 08 January 2012 - 01:43 AM

[L'Emmerdeur]

tywyn, on 08 January 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

Giving it 1 teaspoon per 2.5l would dilute it far too much surely?

I doubt it.

I think it'll be just fine.

Suck it and see.

[ska]

Poacher, on 08 January 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

But Tywyn mate the point your missing is that you are stressing out over maintaining your temps and saying its a pain in the arse when at least 3 people including Ot1 have said they never bother with heaters for the brew, or are you just ignoring us all point blank?


Its the last time I'm gonna point this out to you, and if you want to go on stressing your self out rigging up all manner of complicated contraptions to maintain temps when its not really needed then so be it.

good luck

Got to agree again, another point, on paper instructions that come with the essence no where does it mention heating only not to use water above 31^oC.

Seriously I've had my batch down at 22^oC and still foaming and very active. not that i normally check the temps but on that occasion the room was colder.

[Casey Jones]

Poacher, on 08 January 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

But Tywyn mate the point your missing is that you are stressing out over maintaining your temps and saying its a pain in the arse when at least 3 people including Ot1 have said they never bother with heaters for the brew, or are you just ignoring us all point blank?


Its the last time I'm gonna point this out to you, and if you want to go on stressing your self out rigging up all manner of complicated contraptions to maintain temps when its not really needed then so be it.

good luck

I've floated a 2L jug in a 10L bucket with a thermostat controlled water heater for the past day or so, and even though it took some time I managed to get a stable 30c in the jug with 1L of water, so it shouldn't be a problem in future. The instructions say for best results brew between 30-33c

L, on 08 January 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

tywyn, on 08 January 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

Giving it 1 teaspoon per 2.5l would dilute it far too much surely?

I doubt it.

I think it'll be just fine.

Suck it and see.

Not needed as I've managed to get it sorted with 1L, but thanks anyway.

This post has been edited by tywyn: 09 January 2012 - 09:56 PM

[greengro1]

hi been searching for pictures of the dreaded l.s.f without any sucess. could any1 on this thread post up some pics of there infected plants which they are treating with the essence

[L'Emmerdeur]

greengro1, on 11 January 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

hi been searching for pictures of the dreaded l.s.f without any sucess. could any1 on this thread post up some pics of there infected plants which they are treating with the essence

Put the following into google.

site:uk420.com lsf

E2a- https://www.uk420.co...9

This post has been edited by L'Emmerdeur: 11 January 2012 - 11:45 PM