[webby]

TalkToFrank, on Apr 11 2009, 08:47 AM, said:

Well after mis treating my plants my LSF problem came back with a vengeance so I bought some more Essence. Thing is I am going away this morning and in the rush after brewing all night I forgot to put in the catalyst. Is the catalyst essential or is that just like a wetting agent to speed up the process? I will probably give them another dose in a week but just wondered if this dose had been a waste of time and money?

Not adding the Catalyst wouldn't render it useless The microbes are still active and therefore will still work for ya

[BluePixie]

oldtimer1, on Apr 3 2009, 09:44 PM, said:

It stops botrytis or bud rot as you call it, frothing subsides when the microbes start to run out of enough food to multiply.

Hi OT1, would you go as far as recommending spraying buds with essence late in flower as a botrytis preventative?

Thanks,

SBP.

[syanide]

hi is there any other suppliers except green like to go in nd buy

[BluePixie]

Robert Plant, on Apr 18 2009, 06:03 PM, said:

ive also wondered that, i was gonna order the bio-wetter from Greens untill they tried to charge me £14 for delivery the stuff only costs fucking £8 buck!!! bit of a rip off to say the least! I did pm Plantmagic about 8 days ago,.......he obviously dont reply to pms

You must be offshore or up a mountain somewhere I guess Mr Plant - I think Green's delivery is about £7 for the majority of the UK. Doesn't matter how little or how much you order so worth waiting until you need a few things.....

Googling "bio-wetter plant magic plus" found me at least one other retailer....e2a but theIr standard delivery charge is £6, with upto a £20 surcharge for certain out of the way postcodes.

This post has been edited by SatanicBluePixie: 18 April 2009 - 07:02 PM

[twigs]

just got some essence for my early durbans which always seem to get this lsf pain in the leaf..

quick question..does anybody else use washing up liquid as a wetting agent?.

cheers

[DD2001]

twigs, on Apr 23 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

just got some essence for my early durbans which always seem to get this lsf pain in the leaf..

quick question..does anybody else use washing up liquid as a wetting agent?.

cheers

I don't but if you do I'd use ECOVER if I were you...
All natural ingredients etc...

[sky]

im going to get some of this for my next run after having to totally strip my current lot to control lsf . i'll be using water out of a borehole so no chlorine or other such crap you get out of a tap (water is uv cleaned though) will it make any difference to the way i brew it or the time it takes?

cheers

[twigs]

oh jesus..




worked a treat thank you very much mr webby..

stopped it in its tracks and the other plants that didn't have lsf absolutely loved it, standing tall, reaching from the sun/bulb..

[plantmagic]

DD2001, on Apr 23 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

twigs, on Apr 23 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

just got some essence for my early durbans which always seem to get this lsf pain in the leaf..

quick question..does anybody else use washing up liquid as a wetting agent?.

cheers

I don't but if you do I'd use ECOVER if I were you...
All natural ingredients etc...

Hey guys,

The problem with alot of washing up liquids these days is the fact that they contain anti-bacterial substances, these will inevitably kill off the beneficial organisms. Even in small doses i.e. one drop per litre is enough to have a subsatnial impact. My advise would be to not use washing up liquid but use a wetting agent made for the job. Whether it be a yukka extract (the best by far, just read the testimonials on this site) or another horticultural soap, but whatever you decide to use ensure it is safe to use with beneficials.

sky, on Apr 24 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

im going to get some of this for my next run after having to totally strip my current lot to control lsf . i'll be using water out of a borehole so no chlorine or other such crap you get out of a tap (water is uv cleaned though) will it make any difference to the way i brew it or the time it takes?

cheers

Hi Sky,

You may find that the brewing process may not take as long. As a manner of testing in house, we bubble up with every new batch we get on a frequent basis, this ensures us that the product we are distributing works. We use an RO Filter with no issues what so ever, a few clients have them inline UV units and have no issues also. It shouldn't affect the method of brewing.

gunnaknow, on Apr 27 2009, 04:43 PM, said:

The bacteria in Essence are beneficial in the soil but they don't do anything useful on the foliage do they? It's the trichoderma that does the useful stuff on the foliage isn't it? What strains of trichoderma are in Essence? Thanks.

Hey gunna,

No, I'm afraid that isn't correct at all, there are several types of beneficials manufactured on the market, these different types have different uses, some are very good as a soil drench but not so good as a foliar, some are excellent in ponds where algal blooms can be a problem, but not so good as a soil drench or foliar. The species for innoculating the rhizosphere is totally different to that of the one we use i.e. to innoculate the aerial parts of the plant and benefit against air bourne pathogens. Both however will have some common fungal species types such as trichodermas, the actual individual types included will differ between the aerial and rhizo formulas. The exact formula of the subspecies used is a trade secret, if we were to let all and sundry know what exactly is in their then there will be copies left right and centre, all of which will not have been tried and tested, I hope you understand. We, along with many clients, had tested several single species of trichoderma and mixes, while they had some effect against the leaf spot, they did not work like essence does, nor were they as effective. Again, see the testimonial of people on here that have used both Trichoderma and Essence for combating pathogenic fungi and read which they prefer.

twigs, on May 1 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

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worked a treat thank you very much mr webby..

stopped it in its tracks and the other plants that didn't have lsf absolutely loved it, standing tall, reaching from the sun/bulb..

Wow!!! looks wickid twigs. Bubble bath anyone?

Thanks for posting that up and glad it is helping to fight off the nasties.

[twigs]

plantmagic, on May 1 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

Wow!!! looks wickid twigs. Bubble bath anyone?

Thanks for posting that up and glad it is helping to fight off the nasties.

no-worrys man..

thank you very much for your product, i had such a mare the last time the lsf raised its head and nothing i did or used worked..

im proper amazed..

thanks again.

[oldtimer1]

connor, on May 1 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

How late into flower can this product be used?

It could be used any time, but it becomes pointless late into flowering.

gunnaknow, on May 2 2009, 01:59 AM, said:

Thanks PM, something you said raises another question that I hope that you can answer for me.

plantmagic, on May 1 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

The species for innoculating the rhizosphere is totally different to that of the one we use i.e. to innoculate the aerial parts of the plant and benefit against air bourne pathogens. Both however will have some common fungal species types such as trichodermas, the actual individual types included will differ between the aerial and rhizo formulas.

Do the granules contain species of bacteria and trichoderma that are different to those in essence? I understand that the granules contain mycorrhizal fungi that the essence doesn't have, or require because of it's foliar use but what about the bacteria and trichoderma? It's just that I've read a couple of posts where members have said that the granules, biologically speaking, are essence plus mycorrhizal fungi but what you have said makes me question that. Thanks.

gunna

I thought PM already answered your Q pretty clearly gunna.

In that, there are quite a few formulations of essence, the species formulations of each are totally different, as are the percentages in the mix depending on the environment and the job they are designed to do. In other words for inoculating the rhizosphere, there is totally different formulation, than the one for aerial use.

PM only sells the form of essence formulated for inoculating the aerial parts of plants, surplace can be drenched as some species will populate the soil environ.

As PM said both will have some common types such as trichodermas, even the trichoderma types will vary, the actual bacteria types included differ between the aerial and rhizo formulas, the essence specially for drenching soil includes phosphate miners, N fixers, tillers etc, it is one of these essence variants that makes up part of the micro heard in granules.

PM does not sell any of the soil drench versions of essence, they sell granules! The reason being, its easier to use, it also contain ecto and endo mycorrhizals, the bonus, no brewing, granules are RTU, more to the point they populate the soil/compost/rhizosphere with a perfectly balanced mixed micro heard specifically formulated for that zone.