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YOREEL

Germination nightmare got to laugh!!!

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Being a eager first time grower it's been a very bad start..but I have to laugh!

 

Over the past few weeks I've had a absolute nightmare!

 

20th July - Started out germinating auto seeds. Soaked for 24hrs and left to germ in rootriot cubes in a plastic prop with a cheap heat mat on the window cill. All the seeds have been stored in their original tube containers then in a box in a box.

 

  • Lemon Zkittlez Dutch Passion x 1
  • SAD Sweet Seeds Auto x 1
  • Super Hash Auto x 1
  • Green Crack x 1
  • Sweet Gelato Sweet Seeds x 1

 

Checked on them on 23rd and nothing.
24th July hottest day of the year. 
Whilst checking I could see the seeds were cooked. No temp control on the heat mat so the temps hit well over 30*C. Gutted. :wallbash:

 

So I thought right I'd stick with it but add some plastic bubble padding between the prop and heat mat.

 

29th July - Soaked 3 seeds for 24hrs and put them in the prop.

 

  • Lemon Zkittlez Dutch Passion x 1
  • Strawberry Cheesecake x 1
  • Sweet Gelato Sweet Seeds x 1

 

Check 24hrs later and saw two had popped - Sweet Gelato and Strawberry Cheesecake -30th July.

I was over the moon. Closing my eyes and just thinking about what they'd look like. My new babies...woohoo!!

 

Right lets pop some more..I've got this down!!! Lets do them in damp BB light mix in a small seedling sack.

 

Soaked for 24 hrs could see she had cracked and popped it in the mix about 1cm depth crack facing down.

 

  • Glueberry OG x 1

 

Added her to the prop and left for 48hrs spraying the soil every so often.


3rd Aug - Nothing. 


My other two babies were coming along although slowly. 

 

Checked the seeds again and the one in the mix hadn't popped nor had the lemon Zkittlez in the cube.

 

5th Aug I was impatient and opened the sack to see if anything had happened. The seed looked exactly the same as it did going in but a bit mushy. Dead. 


By this point I was like I've spent a fortune and if I can't germinate some seedlings what chance have I got with 4 plants? 


I was thinking maybe this is why I don't have any pets!! 

 

OT: A while ago I had two gold fish I won for my neice from the fairground. 
She only wanted to look at them and not have them as pets. So i bought all the decent kit and took care of them for 2yrs. 
The other summer it was hot...and I forgot to feed them for 3 days. 
They were starving and one had taken bites out of the others tail. 
I fed them flakes which is all I had as I usually feed them pellets. I put a way too much in there thinking they will yam the light flakes.
It blocked the filter...and created a film on the top of the water....came back to dead fish.

 

Anyways I digress....

 

I was checking on both of my babies....opened the prop and it slipped the lid knocked the seedling. Snap. She's just laying there...motionless. I've killed her....quickly tried to save her by giving her a crutch. She looked good. Leaves were fine 24hrs later. Then she left me in the following night and I came back to a shrivelled cheesecake. Gutted. My first living victim. RIP 8 days old. 


6th Aug Sweet Gelato is still going...slowly.


Bought a heated prop and T5 light to see if it would make a difference 8th Aug.

 

Sweet Gelato is still going...slowly. I was only feeding water and mineral water at that. 2nd sets of leaves on her and fed water only. 
My mistake as they were getting no nutes at all. 11 days old and was less than 2 inches in height and had two main leaves and two tiny leaves under them that were yellowing.

Gave her some very diluted Biosys. No roots coming through yet.

 

One Lemon Zkittle seed left plus the Northern light freebies I received with my orders.


Soaked 3 in mineral water and a very diluted mix of Biosys in dark pots for 24hrs. They had all cracked and popped them in riot cubes. Deep breath.

I put them the same depth of the other 2 seeds of I'd successfully germinated.


7th Aug - Came back and all 3 had popped...kind of. The relief and excitement! Wow! 

 

48hrs later they were slowly reaching out of cubes...all bloody 4 with the seedling cases attached. FML. 09.8.2019.

Checked her for advice and most said be patient as it will fall off soon. It was down to not planting the seedling deep enough for the seed case to be pulled off. 

11th Aug - Kept them moist - Yay we have mould. Kept them moist now trying not to dampen them off if not done already.

13th Aug -Mould now gone and they are still reaching for the light. Soaked the last NL auto and popped in the riot cube deeper than normal to hopefully ensure it gets it seed off.I got some tweezers and popped them off. Yay! No!!!!!!!!! All 4 seeds still have their membranes attached. You could see where the tiny cotyledon leaves are trying to pop through. 
14th Aug -all 4 are just reaching for the light with no growth due to the membrane still being stuck. 
15th Aug - 1 week old and the membrane is still on with the tip going brown. I turn my humidifier on and put the prop lid under it and leave it for 30mins. Attempt to remove the membranes and prise open slightly without damaging.

 

 

 

 


16th Aug all 4 still reaching for the light but none of the leaves have turned green bar the Lemon Zkittles 1mm size leaves. 
17th Aug I have my 2nd living victim. Lemon Zkittles...the last one. RIP.
18th Aug - This morning I have my 3rd victim - NL auto and the last NL auto has not popped at all - 5 days. The first one is looking okay but might just bin it and start a fresh!

I may just go with the photo periods as they can take a bit of a bashing! :skin_up:

The Sweet Gelato I have now is clearly stunted for nearly three weeks old...although since I've given her BioSys the last week she's jumped on a bit...I want to transfer her to the Oxypot XL DWC I have but want another to go with her that isn't stunted.
I'll start a diary soon!

 

 

 

Just thought I'd share my nightmare germination issues - it's soo simple to some to get this basic process right but just a slight drop or jump in temps or humidity seems to screw me over lol.

Anyways just waiting for some fresh seeds or may go with the G13 Maltezerz photoperiods I have.

 

With it being my first experience any mistake is a lesson learnt! :george:

 


 

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I had similar issues this year..must have lost well over £100 worth of seeds trying to germ them. Eventually went with the paper towel method, for 24 hours, then into root riot cubes, 2 days later they were under a 400w mh that sorted them out no probs. Prior to this, id used a conservatory with no joy in growth after 10 days still 2 inches high, so i bought a 45w t5 and heat mat, again 2 inches high after a week or more. Couldn't understand wtf was going wrong.

 

4 weeks and a day or two under a 400w MH and flip to flower day. Paper towel method and metal halide ftw.

 

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@theokoles I forgot to add I put the Sweet Gelato in the tent and had the light dimmed to 80w as i thought any more and i'd burn her. Gave her some biosys and she has put on some growth in the past couple of days. I wanted her in the cube to transfer her to the Oxypot but don't think her roots are long enough. I'll transfer her mid week and hand feed her until then or just put her in soil and save the Oxypot for another two.

 

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I just soak my seeds in tepid tap water for 12-24 hours depending on when I remember about them lol water a 0.3 litre pot of coco with Regen a root and full strength growers ark first feed ph'd to 6.0 bury the seed 5-10mm below the surface, cover and leave them in the tent and 2-4 days later 100% germination. Never lost a seed since I started doing it this way. If the seedling comes up with the case still on just get a pipette and drop a few drops of water on or even better wet Betty or bio wetter, a couple of times a day and the case and membrane will come off within the day.

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Just now, YOREEL said:

@theokoles I forgot to add I put the Sweet Gelato in the tent and had the light dimmed to 80w as i thought any more and i'd burn her. Gave her some biosys and she has put on some growth in the past couple of days. I wanted her in the cube to transfer her to the Oxypot but don't think her roots are long enough. I'll transfer her mid week and hand feed her until then or just put her in soil and save the Oxypot for another two.

 

When I ran rdwc my root riots went straight into there net pots as soon as the tap root appeared with the water line just underneath the cube, this saves messing about hand feeding and gets that tap root into highly oxygenated water asap.

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31 minutes ago, YOREEL said:

@theokoles I forgot to add I put the Sweet Gelato in the tent and had the light dimmed to 80w as i thought any more and i'd burn her. Gave her some biosys and she has put on some growth in the past couple of days. I wanted her in the cube to transfer her to the Oxypot but don't think her roots are long enough. I'll transfer her mid week and hand feed her until then or just put her in soil and save the Oxypot for another two.

 

 

Get her in some plagron batmix, good buffer and no need to feed for 3 or 4 weeks, then just grow nutes for two weeks during stretch before switching to bloom. Yeah man, the more light the better, 250 or 400w wont hurt her.

 

 

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At the moment I have 3 100w pucks on her in a 1.2m x 1.2m tent at a total output of 100w as I thought anymore would stunt or hurt her even more?

If not I'll set it to 200w and go from there! :) I'll put my diary up soon!

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I'm in a 1x1x1.8m tent, running a 600w dual spec now, pretty shitty bulb as it happens, a cheapo Son T, but doing ok, will change for next time though. First time using a DS, will reserve judgement  till later. But, yeah mate, get her under 200w min, wont hurt or stunt her, keep the light about 18 inches away and you'll be golden :) 

 

Aye mate get a diary going, wish i had, got enough going on though lol

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I always say the same thing:  Until you know exactly what you are doing, just plant just one seed at a time. Then you don't lose them all. Make sure the unused seeds are stored in the fridge. Normal room temperature fluctuations over time can kill stored seeds. Keeping them in the fridge will mean they are good to go even years after purchase. 

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15 hours ago, theokoles said:

I'm in a 1x1x1.8m tent, running a 600w dual spec now, pretty shitty bulb as it happens, a cheapo Son T, but doing ok, will change for next time though. First time using a DS, will reserve judgement  till later. But, yeah mate, get her under 200w min, wont hurt or stunt her, keep the light about 18 inches away and you'll be golden :) 

 

Aye mate get a diary going, wish i had, got enough going on though lol

if his pucks are good leds he will fry his plants at 18 inches

 

batmix will also fry his plant if they are still that small

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He said total output = 100w, that wont fry anything lol

Different opinions regarding starting off in batmix, i put them in at 1 week or so old, they were doing fk all in biobizz lightmix, possibly the worst compost i've ever used.

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lol sorry for the confusion...I have 9 LED Pucks with 3 on atm. Total wattage for the 3 that are on is just over 200w. Temp is currently 30c atm when usually 26c.

I reckon the wattage for the led pucks is a little high as the output from these pucks is different than cmh/hallade so it's a poor reflection on what they out putting in light.

 

When I get home I'll check and see if there's any burn.  LEDs are 24inchs from canopy.

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I don't know much about LEDs so i apologize if Ive given bad advice. I've been battling temps some days over 37, think i'm averaging 30 at canopy level..

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5 hours ago, theokoles said:

He said total output = 100w, that wont fry anything lol

Different opinions regarding starting off in batmix, i put them in at 1 week or so old, they were doing fk all in biobizz lightmix, possibly the worst compost i've ever used.

he said 200w max which will 100% fry seedlings at 18 inches if they are good. my 65w quantum board will fry seedlings at 20 inches 

 

esp if its at the 30 degrees he says it

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I think I've lost 3 seeds of the last 70 I've popped following the same 3 steps.

 

1. Put them in a glass of tepid water until they sink ( give them a little poke now and again to check the buoyancy)

2. Pop them into biobizz allmix soil about 1 inch beneath soil.

3. Pop a light on 20 inches from soil..Within 36 hours they should be rising above the soil and voila you have a plant, take the seed husk off carefully... not necessary but quite satisfying

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