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Leave us alone or arrest me': Mother is set to openly ‘smuggle’ banned cannabis oil into Heathrow

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4 hours ago, Conspiranought said:

 just not allowed to do anything with it once it's finished

 

I never knew that.

 

It's not something I'm interested in doing, but is it the kind if thing where you can get a reasonable quality and quantity in a typical UK garden?

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Charlotte was talking on radio5 .  Herd told Charlotte he'd six children.

She asked him what he would do if his twelve year old was in mortal danger from having his cannabis medicine confiscated.

Herd didn't reply, looked away, was embarrassed to the bone.

Next time a home office talking head slabbers about cannabis having no medical value,

ask them 'what will you do'? in a similar situation to Charlotte and Billy

They've no answer to that one, unless they want to be seen as cold blooded lizard types, maybe Icke is right, maybe they are lizards after all, it would explain a lot.

 

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48 minutes ago, Tony K said:

 

I never knew that.

 

It's not something I'm interested in doing, but is it the kind if thing where you can get a reasonable quality and quantity in a typical UK garden?

Not really mate but you can make poppy tea with it. I think the law on poppies is like magic mushrooms tbh. Allowed to look at them and let therm be but not touch them. Silly really.

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1 minute ago, Alanso said:

Charlotte was talking on radio5 .  Herd told Charlotte he'd six children.

She asked him what he would do if his twelve year old was in mortal danger from having his cannabis medicine confiscated.

Herd didn't reply, looked away, was embarrassed to the bone.

Next time a home office talking head slabbers about cannabis having no medical value,

ask them 'what will you do'? in a similar situation to Charlotte and Billy

They've no answer to that one, unless they want to be seen as cold blooded lizard types, maybe Icke is right, maybe they are lizards after all, it would explain a lot.

 

Tell me about it mate. They must be more than human, but then again, are we even any longer proper humans due to what they've turned us into? We're just dancers on strings in my eyes. Now this has happened, day by day now just goes to prove how bloody vile they are. We produce the most to export to other countries while having the most ridiculous cannabis propaganda on the planet. Do any of the other countries with more unfortunate and worse laws on cannabis (like in Asian countries) even spread the silly propaganda like we do? You might find they don't.

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Ornamental poppies are still papaver somniferum. I'll go out in the next couple of months to collect poppy seed heads from the flowerbeds round here that have poppies growing, like I do every year (pisses me off when people take them too early - wait until they are seeding, shake the seeds out when you take the heads, that way there will be more next year, take them when they are still flowering and it fucks it up for everyone :frown: ). Make poppy tea. A seasonal thing for me :) Totally illegal, you can grow em, you can cut em and use the seed heads in flower arranging, but you can't score the seed pods to collect the latex (though you'd need a hell of a lot to get any decent amount of opium), or grind a load of them up and make tea with them...

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My eyes keep getting pulled to that yellow £20/lire of JD.  Is that jackDaniels advert photoshopped in just to highlight the irony of encouraging consumption of the carcinogenic/socially acceptable drug alcohol?

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I'm starting to get lost in this now,  a local radio show tweeted this earlier on the second is interesting saying no prescription was ever dispensed 

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Breaking : Department of Health have indicated to the Nolan Show they will now meet with Charlotte Caldwell with a view to assisting her make an application for a clinical trial for cannabis oil .

10:50 am - 14 Jun 2018

 

 

 

 

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Michael McHugh, Press Association
14 June, 2018 12:44

 
 Co Tyrone mother 'not going to give up hope' of getting life-saving cannabis oil for son (12)
A mother seeking a cannabis oil supply to treat her sick son could apply for a clinical trial so he can have access to the drug.

Health officials have offered to meet anyone wanting guidance on the process.

 

Charlotte Caldwell has vowed to return to Canada to get more of the drug used to treat her son Billy's severe epilepsy after having a batch confiscated at Heathrow Airport.

She is still awaiting an appointment with consultants recommended by the British Home Office.

Ms Caldwell said: "Every minute this goes on is a countdown to Billy's next potentially fatal seizure."

Billy started the treatment in 2016 in the US, where medical marijuana is legal.

He became the first person in the UK to receive a prescription after his local GP, Brendan O'Hare, began writing scripts.

However, there is no record of a health service prescription being dispensed in Northern Ireland.

Dr O'Hare was summoned to a meeting with Home Office officials recently and told to desist.

 

Ms Caldwell made the trip to Toronto and back with 12-year-old Billy to get a six-month supply to treat up to 100 seizures a day, but said border officials seized the oil.

A statement from the Department of Health in Belfast said: "If anyone wants guidance on the process for seeking a licence for a clinical trial, we would be happy to provide advice on this matter."

Ms Caldwell has accused Home Office Minister Nick Hurd of having "likely signed my son's death warrant" following the seizure.

He recommended she take her son to one of three specialist consultants but her requests have not been accommodated.

The Health Department in Northern Ireland said it had been in "repeated contact" with the Home Office to explore possible ways forward in respect of patients seeking access to cannabis-related medicines.

It said: "Our officials are naturally keen to be sensitive and understanding towards parents campaigning on this issue.

"Clearly, the Department has to comply with the law - and advise colleagues in health and social care to do likewise.

"That would include advising any doctors that prescriptions cannot be written for defined cannabis-containing products without a government licence."

Ms Caldwell said the case was escalating into the medical version of the Windrush controversy, which saw the resignation of former Home Secretary Amber Rudd over immigration policy.

She said: "We're in London, minutes away from the consultants the Home Office told us on Monday to go to see - immediately - and we're being denied.

"We know at least one of them is in direct contact with the Home Office, but not why."There is no time to be messing about with referrals. Billy is available now. We need direct access.
"We do not understand why the Home Office would tell us to go immediately to consultation, or why nobody will see us."

 


http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/06/14/news/billy-caldwell-s-mother-told-she-could-apply-for-cannabis-oil-clinical-trial-1356140/

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24 minutes ago, Jimboo said:

However, there is no record of a health service prescription being dispensed in Northern Ireland.

Dr O'Hare was summoned to a meeting with Home Office officials recently and told to desist.

 

This is very odd, no record of a prescription being 'dispensed' but are there any of records of a prescription being 'issued'?

 

If it were issued, where did the GP think it would be dispensed, how many UK chemists would stock what this lad needs?

 

If there were none dispensed then Dr O'Hare should desist from doing what, writing prescriptions that can't be filled?

 

:wallbash::wallbash:

 

 

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2 hours ago, stu914 said:

 

This is very odd, no record of a prescription being 'dispensed' but are there any of records of a prescription being 'issued'?

 

If it were issued, where did the GP think it would be dispensed, how many UK chemists would stock what this lad needs?

 

If there were none dispensed then Dr O'Hare should desist from doing what, writing prescriptions that can't be filled?

 

:wallbash::wallbash:

 

 

@stu914 here's a snippet from the following link mate

 

Billy's THCA oil has been sourced by pharmaceutical start-up GreenLight Medicines. It is working with University College Dublin and the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland on exploring the 'full potential of cannabis and cannabinoids as a medicine'.

GreenLight chief executive Dr James Linden claims there is 'increasing evidence' that cannabinoids are an 'effective form of treatment' for many illnesses, including MS, arthritis, epilepsy and cancer.

In Billy's case, GreenLight acted as an intermediary, finding 'a medical cannabis company in Canada, approved by their health service' which agreed to send new medication to Charlotte. Although THCA is a controlled substance, because Billy has been prescribed it by the NHS, this is entirely legal, they claim.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4458336/Cannabis-NHS-Boy-11-given-drug.html

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jimboo said:

In Billy's case, GreenLight acted as an intermediary, finding 'a medical cannabis company in Canada, approved by their health service' which agreed to send new medication to Charlotte. Although THCA is a controlled substance, because Billy has been prescribed it by the NHS, this is entirely legal, they claim.

 

It wasn't illegal. The only illegal part was bringing it into the UK without permission - there is no way round that.

 

From the Irish side, the prescription was simply a medical authorization. It is irrelevant that it was an "NHS" prescription; it could have been private. If the Irish choose to accept his medical authority that's up to them; the British Govt has no say in the matter nor right to tell him to desist.

 

From the UK side, the prescription was accepted by the local NHS trust. They knew the prescription could not be dispensed under their jurisdiction, it was simply a way of providing funding for this expensive medicine.  Technically it was a joint enterprise to import and supply a prohibited substance as defined by the 1971 MDA - to a minor :shock:  But nobody has been charged with anything. This demonstrates that they can choose to ignore the MDA if it suits them. If Ms Caldwell were to declare that an anonymous well-wisher had supplied her with some oil, I doubt the authorities would come round and kick her door in; there'd be a shitstorm if they did!

 

Instead the Home Office chose to sabotage the arrangement by pulling the funding. Weaselly fuckers.

 

5 hours ago, Jimboo said:

Billy's THCA oil has been sourced by pharmaceutical start-up GreenLight Medicines. It is working with University College Dublin and the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland on exploring the 'full potential of cannabis and cannabinoids as a medicine'.

 

Here was the failure of imagination. I can see why the government were not happy with this, even though I disagree, however they could have continued the arrangement with a different set of authorizations. This was being done as part of a kosher medical research project, finding the evidence that is so unfortunately lacking. They could have issued a research license to cover possession and importation and given a "research grant" to cover the costs. In doing this they would appear both rational and humane while conceding very little ground politically.

 

This government is so shit it is even shit at being shitty.

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Billy Caldwell rushed to hospital as seizures intensify - Doctors say situation now life-threatening

The situation is now described by doctors in Canada and Northern Ireland familiar with Billy's case as being 'life-threatening'.


Billy's anti-epileptic medication was confiscated at Heathrow Airport on Monday morning, and his family say he has suffered a sudden increase in frequency and intensity of seizures.

He is currently receiving treatment at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital.

Billy's mum Charlotte said he is now too ill to travel back to Canada for treatment meaning the only effective medication is locked in secure storage in the Home Office in London.

Ms Caldwell has become increasingly concerned and took Billy to St Mary's Hospital at 9pm on Thursday night for assessment and treatment where doctors were "horrified" that Billy was being deprived of his medication.

Billy has had back-to-back seizures on Friday. On his medication, which included the vital but banned THC component, he was seizure-free for more than 300 days.

Canadian doctors aware of both Billy's condition and the Home Office's situation have been trying without success to speak with Home Office recommended paediatric consultant Dr David McCormick who has so far refused to see Billy.

"This is beyond cruelty. We've now reached the point where Billy is too ill to travel to get his medication, but his medication is stored minutes away from where we're now living in London," said Charlotte Caldwell.

"Despite the best and honest efforts of the NHS, frontline doctors are fighting Billy's condition with both hands tied behind their back because the only medication that will be effective is the cannabis oil with CBD and THC. Those meds need to be released immediately.

"If Billy dies, which is looking increasingly possible, then the Home Office, and Nick Hurd, will be held completely accountable."

Earlier on Friday it was revealed Billy and Charlotte had decamped to London to continue their fight for access to the drug.

It comes after a week in which the case of the Co Tyrone 12-year-old and his difficulties accessing a drug his mother described as "life-saving" has made national headlines.

Billy, 12, last year became the first person in the UK to receive a prescription for medicinal cannabis, but it was stopped earlier this year after the family's doctor was ordered to stop the prescription by the Home Office.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/billy-caldwell-rushed-to-hospital-as-seizures-intensify-doctors-say-situation-now-life-threatening-37014981.html

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On 10/06/2018 at 2:23 PM, Jimboo said:

I Think she must be forcing this as a test case mate,If I was her I would have come in through Dublin and sneaked under the fence without any publicity 

The UK papers would probably still say she was the first Briton to bring cannabis through Britain! 

 

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