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Goonerjunglist

Dutch councils vie to produce cannabis in bid to cut out criminals

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/27/dutch-councils-vie-to-participate-in-regulated-cannabis-project

 

At least 30 companies want to get into the legal mass production of cannabis in the Netherlands, according to the mayor of the southern city of Breda, whose council is among two dozen vying to take part in government-backed trials designed to cut criminals out of supplying cannabis-selling coffee shops.

Dutch coffee shops are allowed to sell small amounts of the drug to over-18s, yet production is illegal, leaving an opportunity for gangs also involved in harder drugs to prosper.

 

The police dismantled 5,856 marijuana plantations in 2015, nearly 16 a day, according to the latest available figures.

 

The new Dutch government led by Mark Rutte has, however, sanctioned a series of trials in 2018 to be conducted by six to 10 councils which will regulate production in their areas and report to the outcome to central governmen.

 

Four models are being proposed. One would lead to mass production from companies or medical institutions, which would supply the coffee shops.

A second concept, proposed by the mayor of Rotterdam, would eliminate the need for coffee shops by allowing licensed producers to directly supply customers ordering online.

 

A further suggestion is that the production would be done by individuals enrolled in a social cannabis club. Finally, it is suggested the coffee shops could be responsible for producing everything they sell.

 

Paul Depla, the mayor of Breda, near the Belgian border in the south-westof the Netherlands, proposes a joint model with fellow frontier authorities Eindhoven and Limburg to license a small number of companies to mass produce the cannabis, which would be sold in the coffee shops.

 

Depla told the Guardian: “A lot of companies have tried to contact and have said they are capable of producing the cannabis to be sold in the coffee shop. I have had offers from 25, 30, companies telling me that they are capable to produce on a legal and safe basis the cannabis.

 

Some involved in agriculture or linked with big companies with a lot of spare heat. Producing cannabis costs you a lot in electricity.”

Asked for the names of the firms, Depla said they were being careful not to come forward until the government had formally launched the trials because of the danger of a public relations misstep.

 

They want to be in the market, but it has to be sure that the government will allow this,” he said. “When the government says they are starting, they will come forward. For the shareholders they don’t want the publicity for them it is very difficult.”

Breda has eight coffee shops frequented by 8% of the city’s adult population, equating to about 2,000 customers every week.

Depla said the current system was “bankrupt”. “This is all about the problem of the back door of the coffee shops,” he said. “Production now is dominated by organised crime syndicates. We have got a bankrupt system.

They want to be in the market, but it has to be sure that the government will allow this,” he said. “When the government says they are starting, they will come forward. For the shareholders they don’t want the publicity for them it is very difficult.”

Breda has eight coffee shops frequented by 8% of the city’s adult population, equating to about 2,000 customers every week.

 

In the front door, it is working well. Back door, all sorts of problems because it is encouraging criminality and the small production in fields in houses and there are fires because of electricity problems.

 

Though it is not nice that people are using cannabis it is a fact of life. People go to places now where there is a bit of control and it is not being transferred to the streets or going underground. But you have to complete the system and allow them to produce.”

 

Only coffee shops in Amsterdam are allowed to sell to people who do not live in the Netherlands, and Depla said it was important to keep the system closed to ensure neighbouring countries were not unduly affected.

 

The firms involved in the trial would ideally produce 14-15 types of cannabis to satisfy customers, he said, and the prices would be regulated to ensure they did not drop too low and encourage use, or too far above the price of the drug’s street value.

He said: “You can control from the seed of the cannabis flower to the final item bought in the coffee shop. With eight coffee shops we have to work together, and there needs to be some sort of scale of production for quality and variety to be competitive.

“If the scale of production is too small, the different qualities of cannabis won’t be there and it is possible the street market will compete with you and instead of getting rid of the criminal organisations a new street market appears.

 

“With the Rotterdam model it is difficult to get control of the consumers. It is possible for people under 18 to order all kinds of cannabis. The controlled system of the coffee shop will disappear. But it plays an important part in the whole system.

 

“What is very important is the public safety of the cannabis production.”

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13 minutes ago, Goonerjunglist said:

You can control from the seed of the cannabis flower to the final item bought in the coffee shop

 

From there you control the people, well fancy that........:wassnnme:

 

:puke:

 

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Will the coffee shop owners in Holland all of a sudden ditch there suppliers ( growers ) who they have been dealing with for years in place of the council growers?  

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So he plans to replace the "organised crime syndicate" with a self-appointed government syndicate providing the same service for a similar price? lol

 

Isn't that illegal? :unsure:  or if not they aren't really behaving like serious criminals are they lol

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"Though it is not nice that people are using cannabis it is a fact of life."......  Really? Not nice you say?

 

Though it is not nice that people are using coffee it is a fact of life..

Though it is not nice that people are using alcohol it is a fact of life..

Though it is not nice that people are using sugar it is a fact of life..

Though it is not nice that people are using tobacco it is a fact of life..   etc etc..

 

My life. Judge me if you want, but don't try to shame me or criminalise me for what substances I choose to consume.

 

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Just decriminalize growing and small scale supply.

 

Simple eh.

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2 hours ago, iBMe said:

Just decriminalize growing and small scale supply.

 

Simple eh.

As far as I know the dutch can grow upto 5 plants at home for personal without bother.

 

They should allow smale scale grows that can then be sold to the coffee shops for a fair price.

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7 hours ago, Goonerjunglist said:

A further suggestion is that the production would be done by individuals enrolled in a social cannabis club.

 

This is the one that gets my vote.

I would like people to be able to sell their extra weed to a social club and have a place where they can consume it in a safe atmosphere.

Not govenment grown weed or the cucumber guy turning his hand to make a profit. I would be happy buying weed that was grown by the people who are on this website, people who care about the weed and how it was grown and how it is consumed.

 

 

I think if I had my own social club I would try and get everything lab tested, by an honest lab.

Make it organic.

Only buy quality, take some time and talk to the growers and find out what they are doing, maybe go around and see them.

Sell the best possible product you possibly can, in the nicest enviroment, with the best possible advice.

I would also ask all growers if they would like to donate trim or oil to people who are sick and I would either give it away to people who would benifit or sell it at a minimal cost. You need the oil for your cancer? Here is the lab tested oil free of charge, I hope it helps.

 

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Hi Hugh, while your sentiments are admirable and I would be the first to sign up, there will undoubtedly be some fucker who wrecks it for everyone else..........

 

There always is.........

 

:oldtoker:

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Ifaik the Dutch are allowed to grow weed at home but not under hid lighting.. It's in the garden or greenhouse!  People get thrown out of their social housing in holland for growing indoors with hid's..

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Out of the 4 proposed models, I would opt for the last one. Simply because the coffee shop culture is an integral part of Dutch life. The coffee shop owners are more than capable of organising their own supply of weed. 

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There only criminals, cause of your strange laws.

Its going to be a mighty boring place to smoke if its controlled by the government and a few big growers.

Ensuring the black market continues!

So back to square one then lol

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