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I do wonder whether 170lbs is sustainable for Till long-term. He's still young, and walks around at 205lbs.

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So its still on but Till must not weigh more than 188 pounds? very unprofessional missing weight by that much in your home town. Also this is becoming a normal ting to do - miss weight, come in heavy, lose a third of your purse and win -six times this year its happened

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The whole sport is going to shit mate....

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Till again then - you all got him finishing Woodley?

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My heart says Till via KO, but my mind says Woodley via decision.

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Will till make championship weight? He will have to starve and dehydrate badly.

Conor Khabib, 

I fancy a quick ko from conor, or a nasty ground and pound session followed by a kimura submission from khabib 

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Till looked ill at the public face off just now, and he's posted some defiant looking emaciated pics on instagram, he'll make weight easily. Hopefully he will come in huuuuge on the night and take it.

 

Khabib has taken shots off the best out there but how do you train for McGregor? It's a classic best vs best, the best striker in the world vs the best wrestler...all Connor has to do is land one strike, and all Khabib has to do is clinch

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2 hours ago, willowisp said:

he's posted some defiant looking emaciated pics on instagram, he'll make weight easily.

 

I don't necessarily think that always follows....but I hope you're right.

 

2 hours ago, willowisp said:

all Khabib has to do is clinch

 

Unless he can finish Mcgregor, he's got to do that at least 5 times without getting knocked out in the process. We know Mcgregor can struggle in the later rounds but I think that's also true for Khabib, although we haven't seen enough of him past round 3 to know for sure. Plus it won't get any easier to hold Mcnuggets down once the juices are flowing, unless there's an obvious cardio discrepancy.

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18 hours ago, SevernValleySavant said:

 

I don't necessarily think that always follows....but I hope you're right.

 

 

Unless he can finish Mcgregor, he's got to do that at least 5 times without getting knocked out in the process. We know Mcgregor can struggle in the later rounds but I think that's also true for Khabib, although we haven't seen enough of him past round 3 to know for sure. Plus it won't get any easier to hold Mcnuggets down once the juices are flowing, unless there's an obvious cardio discrepancy.

 

 

You're quite right that Khabib isn't a good finisher but I think Connor will gas under the constant pressure from him on top and open himself up for something. He's a brown belt but that won't count for much against Khabib's phenomenal grappling specific strength.

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@willowisp I hope you're right about Mcgregor gassing out. He's been known to fade around the third, fingers crossed we get to see him properly humbled in this fight.

 

The lack of trash talk from him though is a little odd. Maybe he's thinking about what the judge said, maybe he's just super focused on training, but I'd like to think that part of him knows that getting smashed and possibly even humiliated for 25 minutes is a very real possibility (if you haven't worked it out already I'm not his biggest fan lol).

 

This is the first 'specialist' grapper vs striker fight in a while that'll have me rooting for the grappler.

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Darren Till at 169lbs! YES! That's definitely a statement.

 

Loved him giving the fingers as they read it out. I'm relieved for him, although he looked starved.

 

Let's hope he can recover well enough to put on his best performance. I can't see him sticking around this division for any longer regardless of outcome. With him being such a star right now and considering the precedents that have already been set by GSP, Mcgregor etc.....if he beats Woodley in an impressive fashion I can see him vacating either immediately or after one defence and going straight for the Middleweight strap. The UFC wouldn't dare get in the way of that and the potential $$$

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I don't know what happened there. He said Woodley hit a lot harder than he expected. He made virtually no effort to escape from bottom, looked like he just lay there waiting for Woodley to gas out - maybe that was his plan B?

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16 hours ago, willowisp said:

He made virtually no effort to escape from bottom

 

Dude have you ever tried to escape from the bottom when you've been rocked? I have trouble getting some solid-based grapplers my weight off me on a good day, I can't imagine having to do that the moment my alarm went off in the morning + punches.

 

His priority was to survive and recover, trying to escape against Woodley in that moment would've been incredibly dangerous and foolish. He only has so many ways to protect himself against someone as explosive and experienced as Woodley, I don't think it would've been wise to do anything other than absorb his flurries at that moment, given Till's grappling ability. You can see Till was struggling to find Woodley's wrists to stop the punches, let alone him ever being able to successfully escape in a moment like that, it would've been asking for brain damage.

 

These All American Wrestlers are the real deal, they live and breath grappling. Once you're on your back it's almost impossible to advance position, Woodley is the crem de la crem of doing that, he probably spends more time training sitting in guard than he does stand-up. Till obviously understands grappling and has a good amount of experience, was strong and sturdy enough to reverse the position on the clinch in the first round, but for Woodley, once you've lost that base and he's on top, especially if you're rocked, it's a different story. I personally don't fault Till for what he did from the ground, it was the best he could do to survive against someone you're just not supposed to survive against. It was his agressive overconfidence in his striking that lost him the fight. I know keeping hands down has worked for every opponent before him, it's a style I personally love (lowering defence to increase offence, a la 'The Spider') but all it takes is for someone fast, powerful and smart enough to see those punches coming and land one in between, because after so long, even the hardest to predict strikers will eventually show enough of a pattern to exploit.

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Just read that back to myself and I sound like a know-it-all. I'm not, so ignore that. I don't think not being able to get up was for lack of effort though, just a combination of being rocked and having a superior grappler on top. I could've just said that, but I was groggy and had too much time to type. Going back and watching the fight again, I think I gave too much credit to Till's grappling ability in the above post. When all his faculties are in order he's strong, young and skilled enough to keep someone like Tyrone off him. But I think even if he wasn't rocked, once Tyrone had him on his back, he would've still had a big job surviving the round.

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1 hour ago, SevernValleySavant said:

Just read that back to myself and I sound like a know-it-all. I'm not, so ignore that. I don't think not being able to get up was for lack of effort though, just a combination of being rocked and having a superior grappler on top. I could've just said that, but I was groggy and had too much time to type. Going back and watching the fight again, I think I gave too much credit to Till's grappling ability in the above post. When all his faculties are in order he's strong, young and skilled enough to keep someone like Tyrone off him. But I think even if he wasn't rocked, once Tyrone had him on his back, he would've still had a big job surviving the round.

 

No, I agree with what you say, all of it. I watched the fight on a grainy youtube stream first thing in the morning, I didn't see the finer details until later. I know what it's like to be slammed hard and have a strong guy on top, but I've not yet been rocked by a punch and suffered the same fate. That one massive elbow right on Till's forehead must have had him seeing a universe of stars and Woodley was positioned to anticipate any attempt to hip escape or post up. The stand up though - did Woodley just hit faster and harder than Till anticipated?

 

He'll be back though, I'm still a big Till fan. I really admire his solid self belief and sacrifices

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