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The Lab Rat

Whats Your Views On Additives? See Any Difference?

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I am new to the forum and enjoy reading the opinions of so many people. I have a fair few years of growing under my belt and probably over 50 grows since 1985 when I first started. It might be more like 100... I digress!

In the old days we butchered 400 watt warehouse lights and made reflectors out of any old sheet metal, normally from the skip of a local firm. There wasn't any Coco but there was soil and basic feeds from AG Shield, Pickerings or Comptons Agriculture were Pot Nitrate, Mono KP, Epsom Salts and Lawn Feed were made into stock solution etc. We used to veg for a size of about 24 inches and flower until the pistils went brown, the smoke was never flushed and it was strong stuff the old original Afghan strains we later called Skunk 1 and 2, but until about 1990 we could only get seeds out of VIZ, the comic for adults! I remember smuggling 50 JH seeds shoplifted by a 'mate' from Amsterdam, i was sick with anxiety all the way home on that horrible ferry to Hull, I never realised it was legal to buy the seeds!

Most plants produced around 5 ounces with nothing more than topping and feeding your own brews out of a tomato growing book or indeed anywhere you could get a recipe from. Most farm supplies had brochures, leaflets or instructions as to the use of most chemicals, so a mixture in pounds and ounces got weighed out on mums kitchen scales of Pot Nitrate, MKP, Lawn Iron, Epsom Salts, Horse mineral supplement and Molasses, it kind of worked! The leaves were our guide as we couldn't get or we wasn't aware of EC meters until 1990? We also discovered Canna A-B around 1990 and bloom boosting with MKP and the good old Corn Syrup fed to pigs, bloody good stuff that was! Anyway the leaves yellowed, curled up, curved, swerved, spotted, dulled and went every colour from red to dark purple before harvest but the smoke was knock out and yielded well, certainly 5 ounce as an average. These days if I try hard and go 30 inch in veg with a commercial strain like BB/NL or WW then its near to 8-9 but as a normal grow in Coco with Blue its 4-6 and yeah its stinkier but commercials like the old NL were better for you're stealth as they were low odour!

I have an old Polaroid somewhere (that was a photograph that developed inside a liquid folder after popping out of your dads camera for the babies among you) depicting my prize 4 plants under a single 400 with a fan the size of a 747 turbine ducted up and out of our mums old cellar! I hope I can find it because those babies were pretty impressive tops!

So today we spend £35 on a base feed like Canna Coco A/B which is fair enough for 5 litres but for the 4 plant man buying a litre its £15!!! The Canna base range of Coco, Soil and Hydro are the best available in my opinion. I remember it when it was clear and contained no iron or copper sulphate. Then we have the 'additives' pro bloom booster, micros, silicate, hammerhead, bud blood, bio boost, top gun, bud candy, terpinator, resinator, pk13/14, cannazyme, zone, rhizotonic.... blimey we should be growing our own Penicillin!

I am not an addict for the additives but I do love to open a bottle in my local shop of something new and miraculous that promises me big, oily, tasty buds, mega lush growth and stems the thickness of Arnies forearm... but my question is "Do they work? Do some work? Do none of them work? Or do the nutrient companies just cash in our desire for better product and our gullible trusting nature... We aren't wary of the advertisers or videos on You Tube because anyone who dares to comment with "I used it and its rubbish" gets removed! Or at least mine did... This is a little bit tongue in cheek and obviously we are all adults with a brain and can choose whether we go spend £20 on a bottle of water that contains a secret ingredient we can't be enlightened with... How did Advanced Nutrients retain their credibility when the 0-50-30 Bloom Booster Pro got dropped because people cottoned on to the fact it was just MKP, Iron Chelate mixed with some copper sulphate and then ground to a finer powder to look and smell amazing! We are now told that KP ratio should be 1-2 not 2-1 but wouldn't a big nute company like AN have known this for years? Of course they would because researching the needs of a crop is easy for a fertiliser manufacturer. Can you imagine YARA turning round after 15 years of selling the Vitamax mixture of 20-10-20 to Potato farmers saying "oh sorry chaps but actually we've got that wrong its now changed to 20-20-10 but don't worry you've only lost about 20 ton of spuds" I think you get the picture... Also can someone tell me the significance of PK 13/14 if the PK ideal is 1-2? It just so happens that the ratio of NPK showing 0-1-2 is none existent in commercial fertiliser so that includes 0-10-20 or 0-20-40 etc and why? Well because some turd at a nutrient company saw we couldn't go out and buy it from the local agricultural suppliers at £30 for a 25 kilo sack so decided to make their own and then poison our brains with a new regime of 0-1-2 as the miracle formula!!! Or am I just getting cynical in my old age...

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A quick update on my first ever Forum Topic! My missus just said "ooh I'm gonna buy some of that new oil of youth bollox by Loreal did you see the difference in that womans face" I thought f*ck me I cant wait for the day when we are all legalised and the likes of Advanced Nutes are making TV ads! Music from some dodgy killer clown movie and the bud candy kid on their bottle scaring the shitney out of all the kids... or ONA with that ridiculously priced block of white shite slagging off Fabreze and Glade Plugins! I do use the very good fresh linen gel to be fair and my mates wife makes her own which I have used on many occasion, but hers stinks of lemon and the other in Lockets? Anyway although it works well I hate lemons and the other stuff in it reminds me of Vicks chest rub!!!

Regarding ONA they'd pretty much go shitney plop dip (bankrupt) in the UK if we could just stink out the whole street without fear of the piggies, oh and Rhino too I suppose?

I bet there both in cahoots with the Government trying to keep it all underground...! Rhino are good filters but they want to bring the prices down in my opinion! And the ONA stuff is expensive too but it comes from Canada, to UK, to Shop and then the customer doesn't it, probably starts as £2.00, £5, £8 then £17 to us...? Yeah that'll be justifiably right to all you big hitters in the hydro business... gonna try selling my own special worm extract for some massive buds :wanker:lol that was just a sick gag as I'm slightly baked after a smooth exo, some smoked salmon and a cold glass of Bishops Finger! :oldtoker:

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Bishops Finger aint bad,but I prefer a Bombadier Burning Gold.

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Ive ran pk before and only noticed a marginal yield increase but it also left a nasty taste :( gave my last full bottle away...

I just see it all as snake oil designed to fool noobs and greedy cunts these days

Ive also seen a few side-by-side grows which have confirmed my own observations

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my grow is snake oiled to the hilt unfortunatley and i`m now afraqid to remove any of them after hitting 1.25 GPW.

But i think this is prob more to do with the environment i acheived last time and better feeding regime.

pk being dropped from next grow ,only ever gave this once during flower.

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I only use root stim, grow and bloom and sometimes flush (I'm a coco man), that's it

I've tried boosters but never really noticed a difference

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Way I see additives is that they are seen as a shortcut to a 'good' grow. That's just not the way to look at growing. It's a learning experience - you're not gonna get perfect results on your first grow, or your first few grows. Your second grow will be better than your first, your third better than your second. Because you've learned from your mistakes, become a better grower. Don't look for shortcuts, just look to be a better grower from one grow to the next. And perhaps, when you are the best grower you can be, additives may help you. But until then don't waste your money. That's how I see it anyway.

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Way I see additives is that they are seen as a shortcut to a 'good' grow. That's just not the way to look at growing. It's a learning experience - you're not gonna get perfect results on your first grow, or your first few grows. Your second grow will be better than your first, your third better than your second. Because you've learned from your mistakes, become a better grower. Don't look for shortcuts, just look to be a better grower from one grow to the next. And perhaps, when you are the best grower you can be, additives may help you. But until then don't waste your money. That's how I see it anyway.

Well said that man! Kiss all the way for me although i think the myco' products are good and rootgrow is cheap enough

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What about the bat guano ? is it any good as a feed for flowering autos?

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I'm using advanced ph perfect hydro and until I can find another which produces the same or better results I'll be staying with them.

They're no more expensive than regular quality nutes and the bonus is I don't have to adjust ph, which is awkward to do in my set up

I only use Buddhas Tree additive with these two part nutes, tried one crop without and the buds were quite airy,

had to be that as it was the only thing which had changed, the quality was good though.

I started growing in the eighties and the first 'growshop' I ever went to was the converted front room in some guy's squat ( he got a unit eventually)

but he would push every brand of snake oil he had and I reckon most of it was rubbish.

Lots of growshops will do exactly the same now, so I stick to the A+B+Buddhas, works for me.

:oldtoker:

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I started in 2001. Most nutes had way too much nitrogen and the toke could have you coughing up a lung. Many growers flushed for 2 weeks before harvest to clear the N. Patient growers cured their bud which gave a smooth smoke without needing to flush.. A common question from new growers was 'How can I start flushing 2 weeks before harvest if I don't know when the harvest date is?'

Along comes PK13/14. Lets you lose the excess N in the 2 weeks before harvest while giving the plants P and K. I took a break for a couple of years and when I came back, PK13/14 was touted as a yield booster. How the fuck did that happen? It's the equivalent of a bottle of regular nutes with the nitrogen and trace minerals removed.

I was a regular at the CW site when AN started up. Wish I'd kept the blurb AN came out with. Allegedly they'd tested many brands of nutes and posted the THC and CBD levels they gave. One brand, according to AN, gave about 3 times more CBD than the others. :)

Once I got into the lucas formula, I stuck to it. Not a yield booster as such but it gives a smaller plant for the same yield. It's good for all strains but due to the bare ass minimum nitrogen level, it is not suitable for growing trees. As I use RO water, the mix needs pH up. Rather than use a regular pH up, I use Liquid Silicon instead. My one nod to using additives.

On this site I've seen a one kilo plus plant grown with nothing but Ionic nutes, no additives. Grown by Heath Robinson if anyone remembers him.

krusty would grow 10 plants with 10Kw of lighting, averaging a kilo per plant. GH 3 part nutes following the instructions on the bottle. 3-2-1 in veg, 1-2-3 in flower. Once again, no nutes.

As the saying goes: How do you supplement a well balanced diet?

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Here are a couple that I think made a difference. Iv tried most products on the market too..

Plant magic evolution spray - visible growth the next day

House and Garden roots excel - this stuff is unreal for the roots

Vita link bio plus - really good for micro life in the soil

Tnc (the nutrient company) mycrro max

Guanokalong taste improver liquid extract - I love this stuff

Rock resinator - increased bud mass a lot but only use at half strength as can leave a funny pk taste to bud ..its for cash cropper really .. It works but not for me and my personal smoke

Apart from that I wouldn't use much else they don't seem to do much

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I use reegen a root , bud buddy and pk 13/14

Same clone nearly ten years grown same system these add ons work for me or I wouldn't bother.

years go by and the you only need a +b is all you need is dropping away , just go look on the popular topic on coco

To see that there all running more than a+b ..

But have a few runs get dialled in room/strain then start playing around

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My most successful grow was using ionic in coco. Only additives I used are roots excell in veg and plant magics cal mag in flower but only at 0.1 ec not as the bottle suggests. I do give them a stronger shot of it around week 4 of 12/12

Wizard :oldtoker:

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greets everyone i have started journal and am trying to discuss this very subjcet as my method is very different i use metrop nutes only the mr1 then mr2 cal green maybe once every 2 weeks or so ..and im trying to get people onto the science of superhydrating their plants with minimum ec levels and cold cold cold water here are my results so far the plants in theese pics are now 6 weeks old from the first set of round leaves above ground if anyones interested or hit me up im happy to talk about it you dont need shit loads of watered down piss in your system to grow trees example

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