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buttheaduk

osteoarthritis treatment (Sativex)

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My father is currently suffering from osteoarthritis and its massively effecting his quality of life! He has Bupa healthcare and has turned down morphine type tablets as he doesn't want that, he's currently on tramadol which helps a little but he's feeling a "high" from them which scares him as he would hate to become addicted to anything. That said he is still in tremendous pain and has bad nights of sleep. He's coming to the decision that he has to get high to relieve the pain so is considering taking the offer on morphine or similair. Lets not forget opiates are not the best treatment method!!!! DANGEROUS advice for speaking to bupa would be advisable too. Would they automatically ber cautious of opiates if he mentions not much pain relief but a drunk life feeling from the states dose? HES BEVER TAKEN AN ILLEGAL DRUG!!

I'm hoping either sufferers or knowledgeable members could post some words of advice to influence his decision to ask his Bupa specialist for a prescription in Sativex (the referral is impending!) I very much doubt he'd desire to pursue this illegally nor do i think their are any legit strains as good as the one GM pharmaceuticals produces.... I'm sure the fact that he'd happily state he feels intoxicated off the tramadol a warning that opiate medication is not the righr course. Im fairly confident they will prescribe him Sativex if he so asks.

Words of advice folk? Please post some words of advice as to not or to do so! I trust there are plenty of knowledgeable members with information unbiased results/what it does for him to read! Oh i should also mention he's also getting a lot of back pain among other things and has recently recovered from bowel cancer. He doesn't want opiates so he needs to see as much informative truth or personal experience a possible. He has never taken an illegal drug in his life but as heard so called "rumors" on cannabis but that scares him, sativex on the other hand is different :)

Hope you all can help bring him some quality of life back. I should also mention this is the first time he's heard mention of a

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He also thinks he has sciatica

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nor do i think their are any legit strains as good as the one GM pharmaceuticals produces.
It is said that here are thousands of strains, many of which may well be more efficacious in the treatment of Osteoarthritis. From what you say, your choice is made.
. He has never taken an illegal drug in his life but as heard so called "rumors" on cannabis but that scares him, sativex on the other hand is different

Sativex¬ is the only cannabis extract currently available to appropriate consumers in the UK, which is an entirely separate consideration to the issue of

cannabis being useful in the management of pain related to Osteoarthritis.

Yes, as someone diagnosed with the same illness, I would say that there are positives in the use of cannabis extracts, however, possibly more important than the treatment of pain, is the question of fitness and diet, and looking at the cause of the symptoms. Is your father overweight? Does he exercise? Does he eat lots of fruit and veg? Does he smoke tobacco? What Alcohol use? Like any illness, so often, there are many avenues to consider. Holistic treatment usually makes more sense, it certainly has worked in my case. Simply using cannabis in any form is unlikely to be of merit. Good luck.

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Sativex via very addictive, high producing and not that good effective opiates? HE hasn't smoked for 15years, has a VERY good diet, drinks a little whisky perhaps once a week. He struggles to do much in regards to physical exercise. As I also stated he's showing all the symptoms of sciatica, be seeing a specialist soon.

He would only consider cannabis if legally prescribed. I'm sure when he's well informed his bupa practioner would be happy to prescribe it. He ha been suffering for years in a slow decline and now he sadly seems to be in the state where its becoming unbearable on a daily basis. He would hate to end up on morphine/oxycontin forgetting thr fact he doubt their effectiveness. I'd HATE to see him on them meds when there is something natural and more effective

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Sounds like your father will only accept "legally" prescribed treatments. Cannabis certainly has some effect on the symptoms of Arthritic pain. Personally I found that the most beneficial treatment was the use of "heat lamps"...or infra red lights. However, the pragmatics of using such lights made them unsuitable, (I work outdoors). If in your fathers case, he is housebound, then the lamps may well be advisable, and possibly far cheaper than any cannabis product.

Cannabis is just one of many options, maybe it will help your father, but I`d counsel him not to expect any overnight and lasting relief.

By the way, the expertise of NHS consultants, plus the body of knowledge within their files was what helped me to manage the illness, really couldn`t have done much without their help.

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No he's not "housebound" no

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Mate can he get a slow release Tramadol it eases into the system and he shouldnt get a high from it

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Mate can he get a slow release Tramadol it eases into the system and he shouldnt get a high from it

That doesn't solve the problem that the pain relief is minimal! Wouldn't sativex help the pain 10 x more and without the need to have to take the shite.... Opiates don't actually work for me for pain relief very well (ive tried fentanyl for a broken jaw for instance)

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He's also having to take large doses of aspirin daily which im concerned about if by the use of sativex this could be reduced? Morphine may or may not help the pain more (for me opiates do next to nothing for pain not even fentanyl) but he doesn't want to mess with opiates so was hoping for some words on advice on cannabis being a preferred treatment method..... Peronal experience anyone? Links? :)

All this said Bupa may refuse the prescription but im confident they wouldn't if requested!

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He's also having to take large doses of aspirin daily which im concerned about if by the use of sativex this could be reduced? Morphine may or may not help the pain more (for me opiates do next to nothing for pain not even fentanyl) but he doesn't want to mess with opiates so was hoping for some words on advice on cannabis being a preferred treatment method..... Peronal experience anyone? Links? :)

All this said Bupa may refuse the prescription but im confident they wouldn't if requested!

Tramidol is fucking awful stuff. Your father could speak to his hospital consultant and ask for sativex, that's what i did. I have femoral arthritis and i told my consultant and Doctor that i dont want to take opiates anymore. My Doctor put forward a request for funding for sativex for me and i got it

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How would you say its helped you medically? Would appreciate a brief report how it' helped you cope. Pain? Say if you woke up in pain in various places would the spray take effect within minutes? Please be as informative as you can be.

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I have chronic osteo arthritis throughout my spine, and in many other joints.

The best pain relief I have found, by far and away, is Morphine, or Oxycontin, or better still ~ both together. The only downside to Morphine and the other Opioids is that they are habit forming, albeit only mildly so when taken at prescribed dose levels. Other than that, it offers no harm to any of the body's organs. So, about habituation ~ I see it as a case of either Morphine, or pain. The pain won't stop, I get sciatic pains every day, in both legs and into the groin as well. My ankle (R side) is shot, as is the foot. My left leg is a mess following a knee replacement which did not go too well. There is no "cure" for these things, either I take pain killing drugs, or I get to feel the full force of the various arthritic problems I have. I'm a wuss, so give me the drugs every time. I take both Morphine and Oxy every day, and have done for the last umpteen years. If your old man is in the same boat (arthritis what isn't curable), he faces the same choice. Pain, or pills. There ain't no other choice than that.

Sativex?? Pfft! Make me larf! May as well chew an aspirin. I smoke my own weed, its much better than Shativex. Even then, the fact is, cannabis is no guaranteed pain killer for Arthritis. On its own, for me it does sweet Fuck All, except that it lifts the mood, distracts the mind, and that's about it. Oh, and it enhances the effect of the Morphine/Oxy, which means you get to take less. But on its own, against Arthritis? ... You may as well swallow a saccharine tablet.

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Tramadol is an opioid and if this isn't working he may as well take one that is whether it be morphine or oxycodone or something else. Since he is seeing a consultant privately he may be in with a chance of getting Sativex but it is going to cost a considerbale amount. Plus as has been said I don't think it is much cop on it's own for wear n tear arthritis pains.

IMO Get the morphine and get a grow on :wink:

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maybe I'm being pedantic, but Tramadol isn't exactly an opioid --- it does closely resemble codeine, and it is active at some types of opioid receptors

but Tramadol messes about with all kinds of other stuff in your body and nervous system, in a way that things like morphine don't

it did me no favours ---- it screws about with your serotonin and norepinephrine levels --- and that can have a major impact on you emotionally, psychologically... (think amphetamines, MDMA etc.)

after smashing his leg to pieces, my brother had a nightmare on Tramadol --- crashing depression and 'mood swings'

it got so bad that in the end he opted just to deal with the pain, and smoke some cannabis to take the edge off the pain and improve his well-being

he had loads of left over tramadol - so I messed about with some... ... got me high as a kite - but again, crashing come downs after, I felt like someone had taken a cheese grater to my nervous system

from a purely subjective appraisal, if Tramadol isn't far more damaging to your body than classic opiates like morphine and codeine are then I would be amazed... it's nasty stuff I reckon...

if a doctor tried to prescribe it to me, I'd be asking for morphine or codeine --- I don't want my nervous system and the rest of my body getting any more wrecked by modern pharmaceuticals then they already have been (Lariam, Valium, Xanax)

as for Sativex

it's made from an extract of a pure THC plant (bred from a Thai plant I believe) which is blended with a pure CBD extract (from a Turkish hemp plant) --- it's one part THC plant extract, to 1 part CBD plant extract

in that respect Sativex is no different from bog-standard hash of old (Afghani, Lebanese, Moroccan) where the active ingredients are also THC and CBD, and typically in something close to a 1 to 1 ratio

if you want to spare your dad the hassle of finding out whether Sativex will be any use for him, you could just pick him up some clean imported hash --- and I stress imported hash... Indian and Nepalese charas will also have CBD in... but hash made from 'Skunk' or any other indoor hybrid bud won't have any CBD in (or very little)

Sativex is just cannabis extract...

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