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namkha

Medicinal Plants

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I've tried a few different types of herbal valerian and I have to say it was a complete waste of time and money. I find the subject very interesting though.

which ones? they must have been crap...

I used to buy powdered valerian root from a herbalist and it did the job no problem

the other ones I've tried are Himalaya herbals extract pills which are made from an Indian variety that grows in temperate areas in India e.g. Kashmir... they do the job for sure as well

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I saw a live Kava Kava plant for sale on fleabay the other day. Couldn't believe it! I've been searching for one to add to my collection for a long time. Sadly it was only for sale within the United States. It's practically impossible to get seeds so I need to find a rooted (or unrooted) cutting. I've always thought the person that starts up a business selling Piper methysticum cuttings in a sealed tube of agar, similar to what is sometimes done with Salvia divinorum, and posts them through the mail is going to make a LOT of money. Just not sure about posting restrictions to some countries. I'd also love to have an Erythroxylum coca (or E. novogranatense) plant one day.

It's a bit of a personal goal of mine to collect, and in many cases try, all the healing herbs/psychotropic plants that I can get my hands on. I'd like a couple of square metres dedicated solely to their cultivation = a mini botanical garden of sacred plants :bong: Trouble is the weather gets cold here in the winter and many of these plants originate in the tropics. I think a greenhouse is in order. Thinking about building myself one of those geodesic domes as they look fab!

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I've tried a few different types of herbal valerian and I have to say it was a complete waste of time and money. I find the subject very interesting though.

which ones? they must have been crap...

I used to buy powdered valerian root from a herbalist and it did the job no problem

the other ones I've tried are Himalaya herbals extract pills which are made from an Indian variety that grows in temperate areas in India e.g. Kashmir... they do the job for sure as well

That's interesting. To be honest I can't remember which types because it was about 5 years ago from two different herbal shops in London. But perhaps they just weren't very good samples because of storage issues or my own personal biochemistry for example, I don't know. I've tried the extracts as well and they didn't do anything which I'm not surprised about, however I wouldn't rule out trying again at some point in the future if I could get decent stuff.

I know that if you get decent kava kava it can knock you on your arse, so I'd love to try that herb again one day. Growing it would be awesome!

Puff Adder, I've personally looked into those geodesic domes and the prices are silly. They're not worth it at all when you can buy a high end greenhouse for a fraction of the price IMO. You could build one from scratch (which I briefly considered) but I don't know if it would be worth the extra effort when you can build and use things such as heat sinks or heat exchangers as well as other efficient systems to heat the area when it gets cold. Anyway this is just the conlusion I came to when I was researching and considering geo-domes and you might see it differently. They are pretty cool though I have to admit.

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hi Artificial Emotion

did you literally feel nothing from the valerian?

was there a specific problem you were hoping to address, or were you just curious about what they did? also, what were you expecting from them?

it could be a question of personal biochemistry, though you are the first person I have heard negative feedback about Valerian from...

I've always found its effect to be eminently tangible, that's all... for me, it's very relaxing stuff

out of interest, did the stuff you tried, inc. extracts, have that rank valerian smell?

if it doesn't smell bad, it probably doesn't have much of the active oils in

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hi Artificial Emotion

did you literally feel nothing from the valerian?

was there a specific problem you were hoping to address, or were you just curious about what they did? also, what were you expecting from them?

it could be a question of personal biochemistry, though you are the first person I have heard negative feedback about Valerian from...

I've always found its effect to be eminently tangible, that's all... for me, it's very relaxing stuff

out of interest, did the stuff you tried, inc. extracts, have that rank valerian smell?

if it doesn't smell bad, it probably doesn't have much of the active oils in

Hiya Nahmka,

sorry for the delay in replying - I was stuck on my father's yacht over the weekend with no internet connection!

But to answer your question, I became very intrigued by valerian as I was searching for a solution for my mild insomnia caused by busy days at university and an inability to relax at the end of the day. So I first went to Holland and Barrett and tried those capsules of valerian extract as well as the valerian tea bags. Unfortunately it did literally nothing at all, so undeterred I did a load of research and decided to try the raw valerian plant material from a couple of specialist herbal stores in London. Although it appeared potent and definitely smelled horrible, it really just didn't do anything. So after experimenting with various dosages and dosage frequencies I had to give up in the end unfortunately. However it did originally interest me because of the research I had initially done arounnd the way in which it works. Apparently it theoretically acts in a similar way to benzodiazepines from what I can recall, but without the excessive sedation or addictive qualities.

Once thing I did find that worked, especially with just occasional use, was melatonin. The problem I sometimes have is getting to sleep initially and I feel that if I could take something that would send me off to sleep initially then I would be okay as I would be able to stay asleep easily naturally without relying on drugs or herbs. This is why cannabis works so well for me!

I would love to be able to get authentic, potent Kava from Fiji which I know works (unlike the majority of preparations you find on the internet), but unfortunately the government have gone and banned it because of unwarrented concerns about liver toxicity. Another herb I've been informed works really well is Blue Lotus. IIRC you can smoke it alongside your herb and it really does have a pleasant sedation. I might be wrong about the fact that you smoke it but I have a friend that was very skeptical about whether it works or not but was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't bunk and actually worked surprisingly well for such a legal herb.

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Unfortunately it did literally nothing at all, so undeterred I did a load of research and decided to try the raw valerian plant material from a couple of specialist herbal stores in London. Although it appeared potent and definitely smelled horrible, it really just didn't do anything.

very strange...

were you doing other things around the same time?

I speak as someone who spent a while overdoing it on other things like valium etc. so I am no lightweight... I reached a stage where even 20mg La Roche valium wouldn't do much to me...

if you had been taking other drugs with related actions, such as benzos, it may be your tolerance was too high

failing that, it may simply be your personal subjective state and/or biochemistry mean it has little or no (perceivable) effect --- I have at least two friends who swear coffee does nothing to them --- and caffeine is a powerful drug too

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At my age I use Ginko and I've got one in my garden :-

Gingko Biloba. Alternate names: Maidenhair tree, Kew tree, Japanese silver apricot

Ginkgo is one of the oldest living tree species, think Dinosaur time. The extract of ginkgo leaves is used medicinally in North America, where it's one of the most popular medicinal herbs, and many other countries around the world. In traditional Chinese medicine, the seeds of the ginkgo tree are used.

Why Do People Use Ginkgo?

•To improve mental function

•Alzheimer's disease

•Age-related memory loss

•Macular degeneration

•Sexual dysfunction

•To enhance blood circulation

Ginkgo leaves are believed to contain compounds that thin blood and help to improve muscle tone in the walls of blood vessels, this may enhance blood flow.

:oldtoker:

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Hi everyone,

I have a lot of products of the brand HESH available here in Portugal in a local ayurvedic store. As anyone tried this brand (i think is from the UK, London), is it good or reliable? I sometimes feel a bit hesitant if these are the real deal :-). Some friends were in India last week and there was a lot of restrictions to buy natural herbs in their "purest" form (only with ayurvedic medical recipe or if you are a herbalist). I asked them to bring me some natural herbs, Brahmi, Karela, Gurmar, Tagara, etc... and they were only able to bring Himalaya herbal healthcare products (the company that in fact sell worldwide). They said that today there are a lot of restrictions in transporting natural herbs by plane, it isn't allowed as i understood. This reminds me not only the actual pharmaceutical "omited" impositions and the problem "if it isn't patented or strongly regulated for selling it cant be sold". So do you think these products are the real deal or effective as they supposedly should be?

Namkha my friends brought me a lot of products from Himalaya herbal, one of them Ashvaganda, shallaki, etc... im going to give them a try :-). By the way have you ever tried to remove the capsule and ingest only the powder?

Regards

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Hi Wildnature - I've never heard of HESH, but I'm no expert about this stuff ---

yes, I have tried opening Himalaya Herbals capsules, just to look inside - but why would you not want to eat the capsules? afaik they are just vegetarian gelatin with chlorophyll colouring... the extracts inside can taste truly unpleasant if you inadvertently get some in your mouth (neem, my god!)

with the very low prices of Himalaya Herbals extracts, and their consistent quality, I think you are much better buying their pills than the raw herbs --- you can transport more, plus you will have a lot better standardisation

i.e. my tuppence is - unless you have found a reliable herbalist or Ayurvedic doctor (not always easy to do), you are best using Himalaya brand anyway, or one of the other big brands like Dabur etc.

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very strange...

were you doing other things around the same time?

I speak as someone who spent a while overdoing it on other things like valium etc. so I am no lightweight... I reached a stage where even 20mg La Roche valium wouldn't do much to me...

if you had been taking other drugs with related actions, such as benzos, it may be your tolerance was too high

failing that, it may simply be your personal subjective state and/or biochemistry mean it has little or no (perceivable) effect --- I have at least two friends who swear coffee does nothing to them --- and caffeine is a powerful drug too

Hey,

I was taking my normal medication, mirtazapine, at the same time however I was not taking benzos.

I really think it's just my personal body chemistry personally though.

At my age I use Ginko and I've got one in my garden :-

Gingko Biloba. Alternate names: Maidenhair tree, Kew tree, Japanese silver apricot

Ginkgo is one of the oldest living tree species, think Dinosaur time. The extract of ginkgo leaves is used medicinally in North America, where it's one of the most popular medicinal herbs, and many other countries around the world. In traditional Chinese medicine, the seeds of the ginkgo tree are used.

Why Do People Use Ginkgo?

•To improve mental function

•Alzheimer's disease

•Age-related memory loss

•Macular degeneration

•Sexual dysfunction

•To enhance blood circulation

Ginkgo leaves are believed to contain compounds that thin blood and help to improve muscle tone in the walls of blood vessels, this may enhance blood flow.

:oldtoker:

I looked into using ginkgo as a nootropic but came to the conclusion that it only works with people suffering from cognitive deficits, such as alzheimer's disease sufferers.

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Just ordered some ashwaganda after reading this thread. Sounds like a useful herb.

I've been getting into kava for a few months. It seems to get better the longer you've been taking it like a reverse tolerance. I find it great for relaxing muscles and for pain relief. It goes extremely well with cannabis enhancing the effects of both. It is advisable to be careful how much you take tho, take a small amount and wait a while, as it can be really strong. Definitely dont combine it with alcohol.

Has anyone tried passionflower? The few times i've used it it's been calming good for getting to sleep. Not great tasting tho.

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Just ordered some ashwaganda after reading this thread. Sounds like a useful herb.

what form have you got it in?

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I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on this post. I have read through the hole thing and have learned all sorts of great info on other great medical plants i can grow. Thanks agian

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nahmka, have you ever tried 'Blue Lotus'? I always thought it was probably garbage, and a waste of time, however people I trust have told me that it really can be quite strong and relaxing. Judging by how the effect it apparently has I'd love to try it one day.

It just makes me wonder how many weird and wonderful psychoactive lay undiscovered in places like the Amazon rainforest.

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