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science vs religion

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2 hours ago, theokoles said:

am "spiritual"..a visit by angels, yes angels that visited and spoke to me and gave me a message one xmas moring, a message/instruction, that i followed and this has brough about major life changes for me..

My gran reckoned she was visited by the Virgin Mary when she was on her deathbed in the 50s, she’d burnt all her lung linings out working with phosphorus in munitions factory’s in Coventry, she reckoned she’d told her she couldn’t die and was to get better because her young kids needed her, and she got better and lived another 55 years, she wasn’t the sort to lie about something, I always put it down to a hallucination while she was really ill.

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Id never really beleved in anything like that but this encounter "seemed" so real. I have to concede that i was extremely ill suffering with PTSD and anxiety, now im not aware that PTSD makes you hallucinate, i have complex PTSD not something thats just temporary but years of it coming and going and it getting more aggressive..bad nightmares and panic, little sleep but never hallucinations. So it messed with my head, i was visited by two deseased loved ones who clearly told me in xmas morning in 2014 that i had to write and tell about what happened to me in care, that i should tell the police, solicitors, the LA and my Dr. The next night i had a niggtmare and woke in a sweat, a lion had broken in the window grabbed my gf by the neck and was dragging her out the window. I panicked was scared to help but ran to the kitchen grabbed a knife attacked the lion in futile attempt then woke up. The message in my dream was clear..the pen is mightier than the sword! So after my visit and message from angels and the lion dream the night after, i put pen to paper, wrote to those above and initiated legal action against the LA for negligence. That claim was obviously rejected by the LA but my now specialiost solicitors that have taken over have been working to change the law for victims of historical abuse for years and succedded in 2017, now we are suing the LA under the vicarious liability doctrine.

 

Ive had a couple of years of thearpy, and recieved the desperate thearpy i was in need of and most of all ive been heard and understood and my case has been taken seriously, being herad and having the courage to speak up about lots of things i had been normalised to was a massive milestone, abusers have such a powerful hold on victims often its not until they die you actually realise the uneven power dynamic at work. If i hadnt of had that encounterb that xmas morning, i wouldnt be in my dream home, i wouldnt of hasd therapy and nobody would be none the wiser about my case..i would have gone another 30 years struggling with life in general and my traumatic past..fucked if i know lol 

 

eta cant edit speliing mouse is fucked.

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it has to be some type of science that discovered cannabutter bubblehash and cannabis oil, having the right dosage puts me in touch with the gods, astral travel only occurs when my mind is in tune with cannabis

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It’s interesting that both you and my grans encounters came at times of extreme stress, they seem to be very similar experiences..

Its could that religion comes from similar experiences imo, A few hundred years ago there was no health care like today people suffered till whatever ailed them killed them or some miraculous recovery.

I remember reading somewhere we only use 5-10% of our brains, there’s large parts science has no idea what it’s purpose is, could well be things like this come from those parts triggered by stress?

@theokoles

 

e2a well done in confronting your demon, my ex who I loved to bits was destroyed by childhood abuse, I tryed to talk her into reporting it but she wouldn’t go near it, I had to cut her loose in the end before she hurt herself, me or 1 of my kids. 

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extreme stress will give us a near death experience, is well documented about some people who near died experienced out of body and the light sensation, I prefer using drugs

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Stress levels at that time were bad, i cant discount a hallucination but it was so real and powrful..i wouldnt shut up about it for weeks on end, did my gfs head in.

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5 hours ago, tico cervantes said:

Everyone has their own path in life. As long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's path then you should always support them. Just my opinion though. 

exactly thats a  great attitude  i was raised as an athiest  my father told me when you die the worms eat ya the end ,,and who to say hes wrong lol ive got very strong spritual political views propbly a radical loony by most  standards but  people can only belive whats proven to themselves in truth, so no use banging on about things in unwanted ears  there is also the school of thought that says the more truth you talk the crazier therll say you are lol

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On 29/03/2019 at 0:59 PM, hash72 said:

extreme stress will give us a near death experience, is well documented about some people who near died experienced out of body and the light sensation

 

My dad was drinking in a pub a few years ago and dropped dead at the bar. Luckily one of the patrons that night was a former paramedic and performed CPR on him until the ambulance arrived.

When I picked him up from hospital a few days later I was talking to the doctor and he said my father was very lucky, the CPR had kept him alive until the ambulance crew could resus him but he'd suffered another cardiac event in the ambulance on the way to hospital and had been clinically dead for 3 minutes, as well as crashing again on arrival at the hospital and being dead for another minute or so.

 A few days later I asked him about what he remembered and he told me it was like a light being turned off - one minute he was chatting to some bloke about Alsatians, next thing he knew it was 36 hours later and he was in hospital - no lights or tunnel, no out of body experience, just alive one minute and dead the next.

He still jokes that if it was legally recognized and adhered to he'd have DNR tattooed across his chest as he feels like he's probably been 'cheated' out of a painless and easy death lol

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I thought god was an algorhym that smart people knew how to manipulate. Thats the only way I can conceptualise it.

 

I generally dont have a problem with religious people (Im agnostic myself) unless they stand on street corners shouting hate or try and impose it on me. Science seems like a better way of gaining knowledge although it was always my worst subject at school by quite some distance,that said I do respect it.

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The difference between science and religion is... 

A scientist will read a thousand books and still accept he knows nothing about life. 

A religious person reads only one book and thinks they know everything. 

 

 

 

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Those who try to describe God will feel the frustration as a consequence of their folly. 

There is no merit in trying to descirbe God.

The inner-knower will never tell you because after many mistakes he has learned it halts his/her spiritual development. 

Every attempt to do so will fail and God only liberates people with truth at will. The person having the choice is also delusional. 

The only thing I can say is all the answers are hard-wired in the human brain and consciousness / spirit / soul. 

The only thing left to do then is meditate and seek truth for self. 

 

Source: grew up believing in demons and devils and shit and refuting God since I was 13. (messed up childhood) 

learned when I was 23 that this was making life a living hell and it was all my own fault.

Started trusting the universe and god.. Spiritually AND scientifically.

Ever since then my life has exponentially improved in unfathomable ways and I am very thankful and even if I wanted to refute the creator, I wouldn't be able to. Almost like walking away from an oasis in the desert while dying of thirst. 

 

You can show the horse the water but can't make them drink. Liberation from suffering is a gift given by the creator at will.

 

But if you don't ask you don't get! 

 

I hope this helps someone on their journey! :yinyang:

 

p.s. There are some ancient texts which are classified as occult but have some very powerful guidance (they have nothing to do with religion)... do some looking around ;) 

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The universe is just a dream in the broken mind of the mad God Azathoth. But there are secret societies that search for the elder knowledge hidden in the blaspemous Necronomicon, knowledge that promises power. Little do they know that the Necronomicon was dictated to the insane poet Abdul Alhazred by Nyarlathotep, the crawling chaos, Azathoth's avatar in the dream universe that we call reality, to trap unsuspecting souls searching for fobidden knowledge and once all the rituals are spoken, when the stars align the high priest Great Cthulhu shall rise from his slumber in drowned R'lyeh and call forth Azathoth into his own dream, and madness shall reign.

 

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

 

Shit, it's a better story than the fucking Bible lol

 

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