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detoxed

NFT/Hydro/soil ?

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so i don't think that the overused poem is really applicable to me, because i've never ever been the silent majority

not aimed at you, aimed at gw.........

and the dixons analogy is right, correct, true... all growell do is sell the equipment. we use it illegally. it would be like someone convicted of owning child porn asking TDK for help because it was recorded on their video cassettes

sorry m8, if you've got to keep have to keep likening growers to child porn and junkie's

your all ready on to a loser..........

are you suggesting that they, and it's "normal"customer's

think that all the people who are turning up there,

go there because we grow tomatoes?? lettuce??

you know and i know most of their customers are home growers...

i have been a regular over the last 6 years,

(and the newer workers there do talk about our herbs with regular's)

you think they are wonderful and are helping our cause i dont

this is something we wont agree on, so i'll leave it at that.......

sr

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rigth well damm it. At this point I need growing gear and I'll have to use GW. Sorry SR and al but can't use another ocmp. chronic looked good i saw it b4 BUT the transaction options are too scary for me. The other one doesn't have everything. If i were to get the nft 250 what is it that I would have to buy on top of the kit to make it "complete" ?

Detoxed

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I been meaing to ask this for ages, maybe a dumb question, i could be missing something obvious. But to me cannabis isn't the sort of plant that you could grow in NFT or flood and drain unless you're growing from clones. How on earth do you flush plants in one of these systems when they all have different flowering times. I mean just look how many phenotypes there are in just one strain (some more than others), now if you got 10 Jack Herers in a NFT, with all different flowering times, what do you do??

I did see some flood and drain tables with removable pods, which could be real handy. But other than them, how do you do it????

Any comments welcomed....well not ANY, i mean just about the question :wassnnme:

KC

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oi don't steal my thread :wassnnme: j/k.

Ummm how can 10 Jack Herers have different flowering time ? in theory they should all be the same. If you have different strains growing I could understand. But also in hydro, you can force your plants to flower etc. so It doesn't really matter (although better to force flower close to realistic date).

Detoxed

Also main concern at this point is : what in the growell nft 250 kit is missing ? i know ec meter but anything else ?

Detoxed

EDIT: actually let me rephrase that last comment : do i NEED the stuff not included in the NFT 250 kit ? Tnx in advance

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rigth well damm it. At this point I need growing gear and I'll have to use GW. Sorry SR and al but can't use another ocmp.

i'm not teling anyone not to go there detoxed...:wassnnme:

it's a free world, there's no right or wrong...

this is a site with opinion's,and my opinion is that growell could do more,

sorry for ruining your thread detoxed ;)

sr

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Ummm how can 10 Jack Herers have different flowering time ? in theory they should all be the same.

This is where it gets interesting. In theory, you get better plants from more expensive seeds, but not always from every seed. Large growers don't always want 20 indentical plants from a couple of packs of seeds. They've already got that from their clone grows. They want "the magic mother", and 2 or 3 packets grown out to find her is a small price to pay. Some breeders have more uniform results, some results are chaotic, but worth it if you get the right mother. Mr.Nice "Shit" being an example, super skunk par excellance when you find her, but you won't get a uniform crop from a pack of seeds.

detoxed, for 4 plants, you could have built a bubbler by now, you only have to cut circular holes in a lid.

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If i were to get the nft 250 what is it that I would have to buy on top of the kit to make it "complete" ?

Ventilation

One thing puzzles me detoxed. You're In Switzerland right ?

Are there no grow shops there. I know a lot of peeps grow outdoors/ polytunnels over there but there must be indoor growers as well ?

npk

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detoxed, your diy skills up to this? Hole in plywood. Holes in standard pot. (Or buy proper net pot.) Add kitchen waste bin, airstone and pump. Instant bubbler.

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not aimed at you, aimed at gw.........

sorry m8, if you've got to keep have to keep likening growers to child porn and junkie's

your all ready on to a loser..........

are you suggesting that they, and it's "normal"customer's

think that all the people who are turning up there,

go there because we grow tomatoes?? lettuce??

you know and i know most of their customers are home growers...

i have been a regular over the last 6 years,

(and the newer workers there do talk about our herbs with regular's)

you think they are wonderful and are helping our cause i dont

this is something we wont agree on, so i'll leave it at that.......

sr

yeah, i was thinking that... but the analogy i still say holds true, especially with the relaxation for posession and then the tougher sentences for dealers and cultivators. it's not *me* that gives the growers of cannabis the bad name. :) i am one. :angry:

it's a misconception that needs to be fixed, but it's alive and just because it isn't true in the eyes of some people, with others, like the home secretary, it is true and we are a plague and the wee plants aren't beautiful and don't smell wonderful, they're a virus containing dangerous chemicals. wooo.

but i don't see them as helping any cause except my personal one, because regardless of what vrg is saying, their prices on growing media and nutrients are competitive, they're extremely fast, they're discreet and they've saved me a considerable amount of money in the past. to aid your cause, whatever that is, you don't do it through what's essentially a business because it's plain they have other motives for being in business in the first place.

detoxed:

i apologise too for hijacking the thread... you'll only need an EC meter and possibly a timer, but a good quality one. reason is that you don't usually need a contacter relay for a 250w light but you will want the timer for the flowering period. however, it's still handling larger than normal inductive loads, hence it needs to be a good timer. :)

what i mean by a contacter relay and why you need it for lights 400w and up, it's because the inductive load that hps lights produce at wattages of over 400 when they're starting up can and will blow timers, so the contacter relay goes between the timer and the light and protects the timer against the inductive load. but 250w is one of the smallest lights and doesn't have a huge induction load, so it won't blow a good quality timer. :yinyang:

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Right well new thoughts rushin into me head ?(does anyone know how to stop this ? seems as though my brain wants to work again, don't want a workout here) Anyway thanx for replies if i can't tanx specifically it's because I'm liekly to forget sumit (haven't I prooved myself to be quite the forgetful type?) and people will get anst groped bout nto being rewarded anyway. I'm gonna mix posts

1. I don't care what you do with my thread Mister Mod :( . Nah seriously as long as i get anwers i don't care.

2. I was wondering bout dem timer things for a while. Coz everytime i think (you see there it goes again! that brain of mine) bout indoors i think of 16/8 or 12/12 etc. But how you set the buggers ? I mean how would you accomplish this with the nft 250 kit ? Ifnot any timers that can be bought cheap (on groweel preferably but i know not really therE) with a solo card online ?

3. I live in Swiss land yes. BUT it spensiv (more than england beleive it or not) and no kits only parts and I have no trusts in buildin a very spensiv setup and hav i fail on me. This is where the bubler comes into light. Not to often u strider, but I don't want to go for a cheap too simple diy job setupt. Already I'm taking max risk and putitng loads of money into it BUT i want to maximise postive results outcome. I'm saying your bubler is crap, but I rather have a reliable setup that has been properly built and that I would have more confidnece with then comsething I cooked up for meself. As for being a DIY person i got some mad electrician builder who can wiz up a sweet cabinet and whole wirin grid easy and all. But still I want to know how all of it works since I''m the one growin.

4. IS that EC meter REALLY REALLY necesary ? I mean it racks up another 80 quid and I would be going on a limb here :blub: .

5. prolyl forgot sumit will edit in that case.

Detoxed

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2. I was wondering bout dem timer things for a while. Coz everytime i think (you see there it goes again! that brain of mine) bout indoors i think of 16/8 or 12/12 etc. But how you set the buggers ? I mean how would you accomplish this with the nft 250 kit ? Ifnot any timers that can be bought cheap (on groweel preferably but i know not really therE) with a solo card online ?

I would not normally suggest this and but I only do it after reading a lot of your posts and a lot of your questions. If you do not feel comfortable or able to set a domestic timer then perhaps this isn't the hobby for you?

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:laser: @ fazered...

here's my version of the answers. they may differ from your or anyone else's requirements.

2. read the instructions. some work with plastic tabs, pins, digital, whatever. any hydro place will sell them, most electric places and your local hardware shop should have a selection in stock. ya know, my plants are on 24 hour light for the veg cycle, so i only use the timers for the bloom on 12/12, but they're better than remembering times to go up and turn off the lights and turn them on again. active system, right? defeats the purpose to have to go in every 12 hours to turn the lights off.

3. you live in switzerland? right, you know that the mains systems in the UK and on mainland europe work on different plugs and voltages to the rest of the continent? in other words, be very wary of buying mains electrical equipment from another country because you never know... if you can't work it out, i'm talking specifically about buying at least the ballast from your own country because then it'll at least work.

switzerland, friend, is not far from holland and germany, as you know, and both of these places have flourishing home growing industries which will not only send to you in switzerland, but also be able to tell you if it'll work on continental mains electric.

your timers are a local thing for you to buy then... it'd be a much safer bet to buy all mains equipment from your own country.

4. yes, or you'll be able to fuck up the nutrient mix too easy and burn your plants to a frazzle or grow little retarded non-yeilders. try it without, but i wouldn't with an active system.

saltesta do a recommended wand for £60 retail, look for that with google.

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Detoxed I have a feeling you are going to waste a lot of money for no weed unless you take a step back and rethink.

You say you will be growing in a attic and its very hot already. One of the major causes of failed grows or problematic grows is poor ventilation / excess heat.

My advice would be to forget the kit. Get your ventilation sorted first. Buy the biggest light you can afford with what money you have left (up to 600w) and then get some pots. Use claypebbles and Cellmax Growing Cubes 50 / 50 as your medium and water by hand.

Once you've done a couple of grows like this and saved up enough money for an EC meter and PH meter then buy or build an active hydro system.

If you try to grow with inadequate ventilation it may all end in tears.:laser:

And do make sure the ballast you buy is designed for the voltages your country uses, as cali-trap so rightly points out.

npk

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Rigth let me clear things up a bit. I know I sound hepless and clueless BUT i like to triple check. I have ventilation sorted (I even cad designed the growroom to exact dimensiosn and having it built to spec with a friends) The actual growroom is perfectly vented (I have tubing linked to outside so cold air all the time). The only thing is that i like to triple check everything before even spending 1p. It's my way and I know it can misinterpreted as idiocy. If the questions seem dim-witted don't be fooled I already know 90% of the answers, but i want to be sure. I'm surem sot of you can understand that even if I am a bit frantic :laser: .

As for the timer's I just wanted to know if it came with the kit. I do not remember why I asked how to use it, but I probably didn't formulate it correctly. i can get loads of growing equipment from swiss grow shop (specialising in growth of the herb) but I rather buy mosto f it in UK. As for main differences etc. I use to live in london, I can tell you most of my stuff came with dem huge ugly Uk plugs and had to change all of them (btw 220 in swiss too)

Grumble on that EC meter, looks like I'll have to shell out. I will try to put an end to this thread (my rambling must be irratating a lot of u im sure).

I'm confortable with hydro just best to be sure out everything.

Anyway thanx alot to everything,

Detoxed

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Herecy a-coming.

First year of growing, I reckon it's easier to stuff up WITH an EC meter than without.

Here's a link to the "lucas formula". Used by many experienced growers, and mostly without an EC meter.

http://www.overgrow.com/article/12/4

Lots of further reading if you search overgrow and others.

edit: It's not just for bubblers, but almost all hydro, NFT, ebb'n flo etc.

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