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detoxed

NFT/Hydro/soil ?

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NFT does not need that kind of attention at all! Once you get used to it you can easily leave it a week before you need to do anything even when the plants are big and using lots of water. If you need to go longer it is easy to create an auto top-up system with a 5 litre container and plastic piping.

Pros:

You do get great results

More people have experience with them and can offer advice

reservoir is under the system and doesn't take up any precious floor space.

Pretty cheap

You can buy a second tray and use it in your veg/clone room and then just replace the one in the flower room once you have harvested.

You can use the pump to mix the water quickly. Lazy and good.

Great for scrog/sog

The spreader mat and tray hold water so plants are fine if electricity goes for quite some time (or if you forget to plug the pump back in)

You can run it on a timer

Cons:

The Nutes suck. If you do use them never go over 1/2 strength. If you are careful you can get great results though (Although I couldn't!)

The PH tester doesn't go below PH 6.0

It can be a pain to fill with a full bucket. I have had wet toes more than once.

If a plant turns out to be male it is almost impossible to remove the roots. Make sure you use Cannzym in this outcome

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VRG ! that thing is amazing ! exactly what I'm looking for ! As for fazered your info is also ace helped me realise what I needed and made me wonder of important thing : support. VRG. I've looked up and read loads bout this system and seems decent albeit a bit spenisv wen u add all the requirments. I need to know a few more things thou ...

1. I hear that mixin nuts in water and leavin it container will eventually break dow nand ull ahv to chuck out nut/water mix and redo it for it to be effective true ? Also does the nut/water mix hav to be in the ocntainer and feeding every day or u nut feed only once a week ? (I think anyone can answer this)

2. Does it give decnet yield/potency :yinyang:

3. you obviously need, lights, GR, fans, etc... can I use a conventional GR setup or special reuqirements ?

4. stupid question but first time i do it this way : the 40/60 mix u mean mix as in add peblle the nadd coco or mix wel lthe coco and peebbles up ?

Cen't think of anything else atm, so if anytone who knows this system think theres sumit else i forgot thats improtant bout it plz do answer. SO far looking hopeful, but loosk like ill have to fetch more info...

Detoxed

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i did actually :yinyang: , just overlooked it. Was like yea plastic pot wit a fancy bah like water supplying. But now i'm eyeing the fact that you can leave it on its wn for SO long. Actually i mighto f come off as too excited in previous psot but sumit been buggin me : growell don't kit em and they only have 2 pots sys ... nto the 4 pot ones. And the fact that nft comes wit eveerythin has weighedo n my mind ... Again if i can be assured that nft doesn't require daily checkup then i might revert due to reasosn mentioned previously. What I want to know is that mentioned above is :

that's why it's used for the largest setups, which can be left for weeks without checking if you use an auto top up system.

does the nft 250 come with auto top up sys ? i reckon but want to be sure. its really the money that bugs me. I'm buying this only if it doens't go tits up.

Detoxed

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nft does not require daily checkup. you check the cf/ec and ph every few days and alter as required.

not included in that kit are timers and contacter relays or a cf meter. you could guess, but with active hydro it's not recommended. one light timer you can get for about a fiver and you won't really need a contacter relay with a 250w lamp. a cf meter would set you back £40 or so upwards... mine, the saltesta cf wand, was £50 from ebay and retails at £60+. but you'll need to check cf with the autopaks too... any active system, in fact. you can get constant cf monitoring for under £80 with an alert to tell you if the level falls outside of acceptable boundaries.

but this is why they're called active systems - they are active, meaning they do the bulk of the work for you.

give growell a ring or send them an email... for one thing, they have a 30 day money back guarantee and for another they're selling a LOT of those kits. as for the tanks themselves, well, i have the gt604 and i'm thinking of buying another. :yinyang:

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i think there's a few to many growell links in this forum,

are they all needed?????

and after the way they treat growers,

ie just sit back and take our money,putting nothing back......

why should we plug them??????

why haven't they started a forum for us growers,???

why, because they dont give a fcuk about us......

why didn't anyone from there sign biz's petition???

why, because they dont give a fcuk us.....

i've used growell for years and have introduced many people to them...

i always found them helpful,but i require them to do more for growers....

if they wont stand up for us now they never will,

well no more..... fcuk em,

am i the only 1??????

sr

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i don't know, growell was mentioned as the most probable retailer, wasn't it?

and you'll have to tell me - because i only regularly deal with growell and another company and from telephone conversations they *both* know exactly what i'm growing, and we don't need to say the name to be sure it's known - how do growell treat growers? because i've dealth with them and asked for advice and they've been very helpful.

practically speaking, not many people, especially companies, will talk openly on the telephone about practical ways to germinate illegal substances. write books, yes, talk online, yes, talk with your friends, yes... but asking a company to potentially incriminate themselves over the legitimacy of their business by expecting candid conversation about the germination of cannabis seeds? no.

my... "tomato plants" are doing very well, thank you, partly due to the people at growell. let's face it, one question of mine amongst all these experienced growers slid to the bottom of the pile with no replies. i got the answers to my questions elsewhere (not from growell but yet another legitimate business that was so helpful with my "tomato plants" questions), so we can't really blame growell for inadequacies, can we, when the most open and anonymous way of talking can't get acceptable answers for questions.

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and you'll have to tell me - because i only regularly deal with growell and another company and from telephone conversations they *both* know exactly what i'm growing, and we don't need to say the name to be sure it's known - how do growell treat growers? because i've dealth with them and asked for advice and they've been very helpful.

well a couple of thing's about growell....

they never give anything back into mine or your community....

they did nothing when collin davis was jailed,not a dickie bird...

ok they like me might not agree with DE's way of doing things,

but what about biz ivol???? why no support for her?????

how much do they give back?????

they are always get linked from here,how much have they donated to our appeal???

and as i said before...

i've used growell for years and have introduced many people to them...

i always found them helpful,but i require them to do more for growers....

if they wont stand up for us now they never will,

this isnt about service, it's about support....or lack of it.......

growell dont mind taking my money,yet they never admit it.........

and when their cash-cows get trouble..........not a dickie bird.......

it's time to stand up and be counted.........

sr

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fair one to them though - they neither mention cannabis, nor do they sell books about it and nor do they even suggest that they're anything more than a "straight" company. no one forced me to go to growell, i went there and still go there because i'm pleased with price and service.

i buy my lights from basementlighting.com because he's cheap and he did me a great and quick next day swap on a faulty ballast... and all going well i've been extremely pleased with uk420.com when buying seeds and other shit in the past. simply, i buy from the right places according to what suits me, but i'm buying from a business, not a charity or organisation. LCA have had and will continue to get my money, but that's free for them - they don't have to sell to me to get a donation and it's the same with Oxfam, Scope and Stonewall...

growell would still exist, albeit in a smaller form, were we not around.

i agree with what you're saying - we need to explode this culture and get ourselves and people like biz ivol legitimised, but until government changes then we just need to accept that businesses we buy kit from possibly won't be giving back to us except in bulk discounts. in the meantime, for a "bunch of stoners" it's pretty well organised and as long as we keep demonstrating the folly and cruelty of the law and david blunkett as home sec, watching our backs and everyone else's, well, we'll get what we want within my gran's lifetime. :blub:

as far as the businesses we buy from, though, it's an exchange for goods as far as i'm concerned. they could include anti-cannabis pamphlets in my order and i wouldn't give two shits as long as the price was the same and they still charged next to nothing for delivery.

would you hold Dixons responsible if someone watched child porn on a TV bought from them? no.

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but until government changes then we just need to accept that businesses we buy kit from possibly won't be giving back to us except in bulk discounts.

i dont want a discount at all,read my last post,i said it's about support not cash,.....

instead of giving discounts,give something to thc4ms or lca.....

or at least inform people about it.........

i've been going to there for about 6 years,(and have recommended them in the past...)

if i didn't get a computer a year and a half ago,

i dont think i'd have ever have found out about the above groups.....

and why????? because i'm a medi-grower who thought growell were"smokers"..

in the meantime, for a "bunch of stoners" it's pretty well organised and as long as we keep demonstrating the folly and cruelty of the law and david blunkett as home sec, watching our backs and everyone else's,

we might get there quicker,if they started to at least take an interest......

would you hold Dixons responsible if someone watched child porn on a TV bought from them? no.

what's that got to do with it?????? this in no way has anything to do with it.....

:blub: not even a close analogy..................

if you choose to give your money to them, that's up to you,

but my money's going elsewhere, somewhere a little more "supportive".......

personal choice, as is yours.........

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

i'm just thinking,will they ever speak-out, for their customer's......

i guess i expect more from people and busisness's.....

sr

Edited by sittingrelaxing

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Those things on growell are not AutoPots! Autopots are a single pot unit that retail at £25! You then just need a reservoir to run as many of these as you like.

My mate grows NFT and it doesn't seem as forgiving of a fuck up as other systems.

Not slagging NFT by any means, but just think, in terms of plants, whatever is above the ground, there needs to be below the ground! So for a massive plant, you need a massive root system!!

The other good thing about an autopot is it doesn't require electricity. So your not relying on pumps etc.

Detoxed, yeah just a 60/40 mix, as in poyur it in the pot bit by bit and give it a good mix up. Put about 2" of just clay pebbles in the bottom tho to help with drainage.

Take It Easy,

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raaaaaaaaa i just asked for a little info on nft and autopots and now gettin a full frontal philosophical debate :smoke: . Well i might start a new thred to get advice from peeps who own an nft 250 kit but still reallllllllllly hesitant between the two. Well ended up with more questiosn then I started with :toldya: .

Detoxed

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Deteoxed, just so you know, i've not used autopots before, but i know people who have, and I thought they'd suit your situation. VERY low maintenance!

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I know thats what killing me. But I also know that if I rack up the price in the end of everything I need (i want 4 palnts) it looks like might as well be nft. The prices to about same ... but again nft has more support here, if it can be left alone for a few dayz should be good, but it's the fatc that its misisn ec meter etc thats anoyyin me gonna come off more psensiv then i thought. As for autopot the no electricity feature does tickle my fancy ... tis hard very hard. I can see no other way then getting a poll odne on nft.

Detoxed

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but it's the fatc that its misisn ec meter etc thats anoyyin me gonna come off more psensiv then i thought.

you'll need an ec meter for real nutrient management regardless of what you get. especially with an active system.

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their customers, believe it or not, aren't exclusively pot growers. they sell stuff to bulk hydro growers

I'd say at least 80% are!!

and they aren't cheap!

EDIT: another thing to consider is the HUGE buying power growell must have, therefor this should be reflected in their prices, whereas a lot of one man hydro shops sell most of the kit advertised on growell for the same price or even cheaper!

VRG

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